Gerard Baden-Clay Murder Trial – Day 4 – 16TH JUNE, 2014 (New Posters Welcome)

Day 4


 MONDAY, 16TH JUNE, 2014.

Allison’s parents testify



Gerard Baden-Clay is sitting in the dock wearing the same dark suit and glasses he has worn during the trial thus far. His family is sitting directly behind him in the front row of the public gallery.

The family and friends of Mrs Baden-Clay are sitting on the opposite side of the packed courtroom.


Nigel is discussing Wed, April 18, Nigel and Elaine came over to babysit for a short time.

Nigel said on Friday, after Allison disappeared, police started arriving, including three homicide detectives.  Olivia came home and said 15 police and nine vehicles were at the house.  Nigel said that he found that alarming news.  He said he rang Gerard and said it was time to organize a lawyer.  He said he contacted two of Gerard’s old friends, who recommended a lawyer.  The lawyer recommended a criminal lawyer but told Gerard not to do anything until the criminal lawyer had been in touch. 


Nigel said he has been a justice of the peace for more than 25 years.  Before that was in the insurance industry.  He arranged Gerard’s first policy when he was 11 years old.  In 2000, when Gerard and Allison returned from overseas, he arranged policies for them both.  Defence asks Nigel whether Gerard was “not in a good state of mind” after her disappearance.  Defence asks Nigel whether he spoke to Gerard about claiming life insurance after Allison’s body was found.  He said he filled out the forms.  Nigel:  “It’s one of the terms and conditions…that you notify the insurance company as soon as “the event” occurs.  Gerard would come over a lot with their first daughter after she was born.  Allison wouldn’t come.  He said that we didn’t understand at the time that that was depression, in 2003 was when Allison phoned asking for help.  Nigel was asked if he saw evidence of depression, curtains drawn, in 2012, “Not specifically” he answers.

Allison’s dress was of a dull nature.  Nothing bright at all.  I think that was an indication of depression.  She told us she liked going for an early morning walk in lovely, safe, Brookfield.  He said that he can’t be sure how he knew police at the house were from Homicide.

Nigel said that they found out a body had been found under Kholo Creek bridge from the internet.  Nigel said that he called the insurance company “a day or two” later. 

He has now been excused.


OLIVIA BADEN-CLAY, Gerard’s sister, has now been called to the stand.

Olivia says she met Allison in 1996.  Gerard and Allison were “going out” at the time.  They visited her in Canberra.  Olivia graduated from Duntroon and was posted to Townsville.  She was medically discharged and moved to Brisbane in 99.

Olivia said she met her husband at Gerard and Allison’s wedding in 1997.   When she and her husband were married, they visited Gerard and Allison in Switzerland in 1998.  After 1999, Olivia moved to Brisbane and Gerard and Allison came back from overseas.  They lived with Olivia for a few months, they lived in close proximity for 10 years.

Olivia said that Gerard spent a lot of time with them after the birth of his first child.  “Allison didn’t visit very often”.  Allison and I spent time together without children.  Spent much time together raising our families.  After Allison had her second child, she asked  her to look after her children one day a week so she could have some time off.  Olivia said she is not sure if Allison worked all of the days she looked after her children.  When I first met Allison…she was very beautiful and very quietly spoken and very sweet natured.  Olivia is crying.



Gerard is crying as his sister cried and talks about how much he and Allison were in love.  Olivia:  “He would drive her everywhere.  She never drove the car on her own.  I thought that was strange.”  We had observed a strain in the relationship that we perceived had begun very early with the children and their parenting styles.  Olivia said they all did a parenting course together that they all “committed to” but then Gerard and Allison started parenting differently.  They were both very private.  They never discussed anything private with any of us.  I struggled with that.  I tried very hard to be a support person to them.  Allison came in crying one day and told her they were really struggling financially.

My observations were that Gerard played a significant role in the upbringing of the children,” she said.

“I observed him taking on all the responsibilities of a dad and also additional responsibilities in and around the home … Gerard was very hands on with the children …

“He just adored them. I think he’s very good children.

“He loved being with them and was very proud of them always. I observed him being present at any sporting competitions that the girls had at school … ballet concerts that the girls participated in, he was always there ..

Olivia said that she spoke with Allison the Monday before she went missing and discussed business issues, but not financial.  We came back for a family holiday in Burleigh Heads in April, 2012.  Then some time catching up with family.

Olivia said she doesn’t recall having contact with her brother when she came down to SE Qld.  She spent a “lovely afternoon” with Allison, suffered a migraine on Sunday night and Allison picked her up from hospital.  That was the weekend before her disappearance.  Olivia said she was surprised that Allison picked her up because she didn’t like to drive.  Olivia said she spoke to Allison on the Wednesday and that she asked her to see the children at cross country.  She said that she also spoke to her on the Thursday evening after the cross country.

Olivia said Gerard did tell her he had an itchy spot on his neck where he was bitten by a caterpillar.  She said that it looked red and itchy and inflamed.  She gave him Stingose.  She said that she didn’t notice any other marks on him.

Olivia said she spoke with Allison on Thursday to arrange a sleepover for the children.  She was supposed to stay over on the Friday night with the children.  They spoke around 8.30pm Thursday to arrange.  The sleepover for the four younger children would be at Gerard and Allison’s house.

Olivia said Allison was speaking quietly on the Thursday because the girls still were going to sleep.  She said she couldn’t comment on Allison’s mood.  Olivia said she woke Friday morning to see her brother on Skype with a new baby in Canada.

Olivia said she was heading back to bed when her mother came in to say Allison was missing.  Olivia said she texted Gerard and he called.  Her plan was to go straight to Gerard’s house.  She asked Gerard what route Allison would take so she could go looking for her.  She stopped and spoke with a groundsman to see if he’d seen Allison.

Olivia said she kept driving Allison’s walking routes.  On the way back she spoke to a couple of women.  Olivia said she rang her brother to ask what Allison would have been wearing, whether her hair would have been in a pony tail.  Olivia said the drove slowly, with the windows down, looking into bushes and calling out to people.

Olivia said at one point, she got out and walked around looking for her.  She spoke to her brother to tell him she couldn’t find Allison.  Gerard asked Olivia whether it was too early to call the police.  Olivia said it wasn’t.  She’d been expecting to come across her.

Olivia returned to find one of Gerard and Allison’s daughters crying.  Olivia:  “I sensed that Gerard was quite anxious, which we all were at that point”.  Olivia said later that she did notice the cuts on his face. Olivia took the children to school, came back to see a “few” police officers.  She stayed for some time. 

At 9.30am she got a call from the school to say Gerard and Allison’s middle daughter was  upset and needed collecting.  Olivia said that she came back and was “alarmed” to see so many police at the house.  It might have been then that she saw Allison’s parents.

The court is being shown the picture Olivia took of Gerard at cross country again.  Defence is pointing out Gerard’s eye is red. 

Olivia said when Gerard and Allison returned from overseas, she “perceived Allison’s behavior as quite odd and quite withdrawn”.  Allison didn’t engage in social activities the way she once had.

Friends of Allison’s are walking out during Olivia’s testimony.

Olivia is recounting a trip to playgroup.  She said Allison became extremely distressed during the short drive and vomitted when they arrived.  I put her to bed…but I didn’t know what was wrong with her.  Later I learned it was anxiety.  It was her anxiety that prevented her from driving.

Olivia said one time Allison broke her ankle, spent “every day” at Olivia’s house on the couch.  Olivia said that Gerard would drop Allison off with their washing.  She would give them back clean laundry and a meal at the end of the day.  Olivia said Allison “really struggled” to input the routine they’d decided to enforce on the children.  The pressures of life seemed to be too much for her.  Olivia said Gerard liked to have the children in a regular routine and teach the children how to go to bed on their own.  She said Gerard didn’t want the children “cuddled” to bed at night.  That was “very difficult” for Allison.

Olivia said that Allison once confessed to her that she’d been diagnosed with clinical depression.

She said Allison told her that she had been diagnosed with clinical depression in early 2004.

“It was after their middle daughter was born,” Ms Walton said.

“She came round and she said she wanted to talk to me about something, which in itself was unusual for her to want to talk to me about a personal matter … because she was so private and she didn’t really open up very much.

“We went out onto my back patio and she said, ‘I’ve been diagnosed with clinical depression’.

“And in the course of the conversation I asked her if she had told anybody else, if anybody else knew, and she said that she had spoken to my mum. And I asked her if she had spoken to her family about it and she said no she hadn’t because she didn’t think that they would understand.”

Olivia said it was like “the river was dry” and Allison’s medication helped the water to flow again.  Then, she was able to function again.  The meds weren’t supposed to work for 10 days.  Allison was “panicking” after 10 days because the meds took a little longer.  This very capable woman was being incapacitated by this debilitating illness.  The conversation about depression, medication, was in 2004.

Olivia said Gerard took on added responsibilities around the house.  He was very hands on with the children and an involved dad.  He organized his schedule so he was at home during that busy period in the afternoon.  He often helped with meals, or prepared meals.

Olivia said on the morning of April 20, Gerard asked her if it was too early to call the police.  She said she spoke to an officer at the search command centre every day.  “I was shocked by how many police were at the house so soon”.  Olivia asked police whether she could help them search and was told no.  One of her military friends asked whether they could  help search.  She told police she could get up to 50 people.

On April, 30, Olivia met police at 6am to discuss using her military friends but SES said unless they were SES trained, they couldn’t help.  Police were going to provide her with a list of properties yet to be searched and that she could door knock them.  Later that morning, Allison’s body was found.

Prosecutor asking Olivia whether Allison was pregnant when she got out of the car and vomited from “anxiety”.  Olivia said she “can’t recall” whether Allison was pregnant.  “She could have been“.

Prosecutor asked Olivia whether Allison was working at that time.  She was.  Prosecutor asked Olivia whether Allison was doing anything else.  She was teaching a course in schools, involved in a sales/marketing venture.  Prosecutor asked whether there was anything else?  Olivia said Allison was a director of a company she and Gerard had.

Prosecutor asked whether Olivia was concerned about Allison’s mood in the week before her disappearance.  Olivia, “Nothing gave me cause to be particularly concerned”.  Olivia said that she found Allison hard to read, she could never work out her mood. She said that Allison was thrilled about the birth of their nephew but Olivia worried that Allison had always wanted a boy.

Olivia has been excused.

Gerard Baden Clay.


Mrs Priscilla Dickie has been called to the stand.

Mrs Dickie said it was a “colourful morning” the morning her daughter was born, wipes a tear from her eye.  Mrs Dickie said her daughter had a “very high” position with Flight Centre when she married Gerard.  Gerard and Allison went overseas for some years after getting married, Mrs Dickie helped out after the birth of her first granddaughter, she stayed with Allison for a while.  Mrs Dickie said Gerard told her not to interfere in the raising of the grandchildren “I might have overstepped the mark”.  Mrs Dickie said in Easter, 2012, they booked a  holiday for Allison and the girls by the beach with their camper trailer.

Mrs Dickie said they had a family get together on Easter Sunday for lunch.  They bought tickets for the girls to see Annie after Easter.  They rang after to say “thankyou grandma”.  Mrs Dickie said Allison sounded fine when she called after Easter, she said they run a craft group at the church and that the got a call at 9.30am or just after to say Allison was missing.  Mrs Dickie said they picked up some clothes fro home and drove to Brookfield, it took them an hour.  “We walked in and up the steps, there were police people there, and Gerard of course,  I couldn’t believe it, he had a pin striped shirt and a tie, cool as a cucumber. 

Mrds Dickie is getting emotional recounting the day her daughter disappeared.  I said, “what happened?”.  I said to him, did you sleep with her.  Was she in the same bed as you?  He said yes she was.  I said, didn’t you feel her move?  Mrs Dickie said she looked in the kitchen and “the place was sterile”.   She said it was strange that cups and saucers were out and that she’d never had a tea in a cup and saucer before, always a mug.  She asked Gerard about the cuts on his face.  He told her he’d cut himself shaving.  Mrs Dickie said she went with Gerard into the master bedroom she said she thinks the bed was made.

Defence is now cross examining.

Mrs Dickie said she as aware that Allison had post natal depression after her first baby, she had anxiety at times, we all have anxiety at times.  Mrs Dickie denies her daughter had a major depressive illness, she said she was never told that.  Mrs Dickie said she was called by Kerry-Ann Walker who asked her to call Allison.  Mrs Dickie said she called Allison and Allison said Gerard no longer loved her and that she told Allison to come and live with them.

Mrs Dickie insists Allison would tell her if she had problems and that where was an occasion where Allison was on the couch, dressed in white with the dishesin the sink.  Allison told her “I want to be a better person”.  Mrs Dickie agrees Allison was injecting a substance to help her lose weight, says is was for Gerard.   Allison did everything she could to please her husband, she and her husband rarely socialized with the Baden-Clays.  Mrs Dickie said that every woman who has had two daughters, when they have a third child, they want a boy. 

Mrs Dickie said when she went to the house on April 20, it was so clean, it was “not like a home”, Allison always had a brass photo frame of her back, Allison always said, “we’re walking into the future”.  That photo was gone.  Mrs Dickie is becoming emotional again.  Michael Byrne QC is telling her the kitchen wasn’t clean or sterile. 

Prosecutor asking her about Mrs Dickie’s observations in 2011 when Allison was on the couch, dressed all in white.  They clarified the date as after Christmas, Mrs Dickie has now been excused.


Geoff Dickie, Allison’s father, has now been called to the stand.


Mr Dickie said he saw Allison and the girls on Easter Sunday, 2012.  Gerard was there too, Allison was happy and normal.

Mr Dickie said he was working at the church on April 20, and then received a call from Gerard at 9.45am to say Allison had gone for a walk and not come back.

Gerard was dressed like he was ready to go to work, he had scratches on the right side of his face.

Kerry-Ann Walker arrived. Gerard asked the to come into the bedroom so they could talk soon after they were told the house would become a crime scene.  Mr Dickie left the house and saw Nigel Baden-Clay loading a vacuum cleaner.

Mr Dickie agreed that Allison “bottled up” her problems.


Kerry-Ann Walker, Allison’s best friend has been called.


Ms Walker said she has known Allison since their first year of high school, over 30 years and that she and Allison worked at Flight Centre together, Allison was in senior management.  Ms Walker said Allison told her she suffered from post natal depression after her first child she said she never saw any signs of it.  Allison confided Gerard didn’t love her anymore, they were having problems, they went to a marriage counsellor.  Allison was “great” in weeks before her disappearance and was excited about the new role at the real estate agency.  Ms Walker said she contacted Allison on Thursday about returning some ball gowns, Allison said sure he would drop the off on Friday.

Court is being shown text message conversation between Allison and Kerry-Anne.  Allison said she would drop them off after the real estate conference about 6pm.  Ms Walker said that was fine, but got no response.

On the day Allison disappeared, police called Ms Walker several times but she was in a meeting.  She got to the house at midday, she said she noticed scratched on the side of Gerard’s face, they seemed fresh, weeping.  “We were all in shock that day”.  Gerard seemed calm, the police were doing their thing.  We didn’t know what to do, we were just waiting, she said they stayed most of the day, house was closed as a crime scene.

Allison never told her Gerard had been having an affair.

Adjourned for lunch.

2:0pm: The jury is continuing to hear evidence from the 31st witness in the trial, Allison Baden-Clay’s best friend, Kerry Ann Walker.

In cross-examination by barrister Michael Byrne QC, for Baden-Clay, Ms Walker agreed her friend was “always trying to lose weight” and always on “one diet or another”.

“Allison was a perfectionist, she was always working to better herself so we knew each other inside out, there were things that she didn’t tell me that she perhaps thought she shouldn’t and there were other things we talked about quite openly,” she said.

Ms Walker said she suggested to her friend that her husband was having an affair but was always met with denial.

“I think she never told me about the affair because she knew I would jump straight in and pull her out of it and she didn’t want that,” she said.

She agreed Ms Baden-Clay never told her about an affair up to April, 2012.

“She was very open about her post-natal depression, she told me about it,” she said.

“More recently she certainly was not depressed, in the months before she died we would have lots of discussions about how she was standing up for herself more, becoming more assertive in her marriage … there was a marked difference in her attitude in those last couple of times we had got together and she was working hard in her marriage.

“It was great to see her so positive and so in control.”

Ms Walker said she was aware her friend suffered from depression but said her friend only ever referred to it as “post-natal depression”.

“Allison was very hard on herself and she did used to say she suffered from anxiety, and we talked through that … and she went to see professionals about that as well,” she said.

She said her friend told her she was anxious from time to time in 2011.

“I never observed that she was anxious … she always had a positive aspect and she was always talking about the good things, her children who she loved and her husband that she loved,” she said.

Ms Walker said her friend told her she was taking medication again but never told her she was anxious, in a low mood, or teary and did not mention Zoloft.

“I think I know her better than most, yes,” she said.

“On her best days as a mother, she was twice the mother I am. If she was talking about feeling down, it was just trying to cope with all the things we had to cope with as mothers with children.”

Ms Walker said it would not surprise her if her friend told a doctor in March, 2012, that she was experiencing bad mood swings around the time of her period.

She said her friend never asked her about increasing her dose of Zoloft from 50mg to 100mg at that time, either.


3pm: The 32nd witness is Daryl Clifford Joyce who was kayaking in the Brisbane River near the area of Kholo Creek on April 30, 2012.

He said he was on holidays at the time when he paddled into the Kholo Ck entrance.

“The bridge is only a very short distance in from the Brisbane River so as soon as I got under the bridge I saw the body,” he said.

“It was on my right-hand side as I was going up the creek and on the Brisbane side of the creek as distinct from the Ipswich side.”

He said the body was positioned like it was “sleeping” and could not see the face.

“Like someone lying on their side, asleep,” he said.

“I paddled past a little ways and then I did a U-turn when I figured out what was going on and went straight back to the boat ramp.”

Mr Joyce said he stayed about 5m to 10m from the body.

He said he did not get out of his kayak as it was “too slippery and deep”.

Mr Joyce said he phoned police.

He said the flow rate of the creek was “significant” and the water level “high” because there had been recent big rainfall.

“There was a lot of fresh mud suspended in the creek,” he said.

He said the body was “directly underneath” the Kholo Creek bridge.

In cross-examination by barrister Michael Byrne QC, for Baden-Clay, Mr Joyce agreed he would paddle the Brisbane River on his kayak most Sunday mornings.

“It was definitely flowing out into the main river because you could see the light brown colour,” he said.

He said there was heavy rain on the Saturday before.

“As I recall it was really torrential rain,” he said.

Mr Joyce said it was his experience there was “sticky mud” in the Brisbane River and besides, the bank was very steep.

He said Kholo Creek was deep enough for him to paddle a kayak in.



3.10pm: The 33rd witness in the trial is the woman Gerard Baden-Clay was having an affair with, Toni Cheri McHugh.

She said she commenced working as a salesperson at Century 21 at Kenmore in April, 2007.

Ms McHugh said the business had a sales component and a rental roll.

She said she first met Baden-Clay as the agent she chose to sell her block of land a “couple of years earlier”.

Ms McHugh said she had just finished a teaching contract when Baden-Clay’s mother suggested she work in the business.

“I saw it as a time to take a few risks and maybe step into a sales role,” she said.

She said she came to meet Baden-Clay’s parents while selling her block of land.

She said Nigel Baden-Clay was still assisting in sales and the accounting side of the business while Elaine Baden-Clay was on front reception duties.

Ms McHugh said she was in a sales role for six weeks before she was asked to assist in property management for two to three months.

She said at the time, the rent roll was sold to Harcourts at Kenmore and she returned to her role in sales.

Ms McHugh said the business was running very well at that time.

“I wasn’t at all aware of how the business was functioning in a big picture way, I just knew that I was doing what I was required to do, I was finding that I was successful and that was helping the business and morale in the team was very strong,” she said.

“I enjoyed the energy, the challenge. (It came) predominantly from Gerard, he was excellent at motivating people, excellent at enhancing a team atmosphere.”

She said she admired Baden-Clay and his drive.

“I admired his ability to be able to really make people feel that they had something to contribute … he was an excellent teacher and I felt that I had a fabulous basis to learn real estate,” she said.

Ms McHugh said she became closer to the accused as friends, initially.

“If I was to say an exact date, or time and place, it was August of ’08,” she said.

She said she knew Baden-Clay was married.

“Allison would come into the office very rarely so I guess I had spoken to her when she had come into the office,” she said.

She said they exchanged pleasantries but shared little other conversation between them.

Ms McHugh said she was living with her partner and two children at Bellbowrie at the time.

“I ended my relationship with Rob, my partner of 17 years in November of ’08 and he remained living at the house until January and he then left and moved to a unit close to his work in January,” she said.

She said her estranged husband and her had custody of their children “one week on, one week off”.

Ms McHugh said she would see the accused in the evening and was explained with: “I need to work back”.

She said on the weeks she did not have her children she would see Baden-Clay three or four times a week and rarely on weekends.

“I had moved, he came to the Bellbowrie house a few times but then I ended up putting tenants into that house and I moved into the city in St Lucia and yes, he would come to my unit in St Lucia,” she said.

“I went to his house on two occasions.”


Toni McHugh, Gerard Baden-Clay’s mistress. Source: The Guardian


Toni McHugh told the jury she would contact Gerard Baden-Clay by email, text and phone.

“For quite a long time we just used the work email but then it did change to the Bruce Overland email,” she said.

She said she couldn’t remember when that first happened.

Ms McHugh said staff at Century 21 eventually became aware of her affair with Baden-Clay.

She said a colleague confronted her with the fact that she thought “something was happening” between her and Baden-Clay.

“I was surprised about it, she picked it up. It would have been towards August,” she said.

She said she thought two partners knew about the relationship with Baden-Clay.

“I did have a function at my house in Bellbowrie with all the staff members and Allison attended and I attended John Bradley’s engagement party and I can’t, I think that Allison was also there at Phil’s wife’s birthday party,” she said.

Ms McHugh said Ms Baden-Clay rarely attended the Century 21 office at Kenmore.

She said the business moved premises to Taringa over Christmas 2010, and she continued to be in a relationship with the accused.

Ms McHugh said there were discussions with Baden-Clay about their future.

“It was up and down all the time, year after year, yes there would be discussions about having a future,” she said.

“Gerard was very adamant that he didn’t have a relationship with his wife, that he didn’t love his wife, but at the same time he was never, ever disrespectful or callous or spiteful, hurtful.”

She said they discussed him leaving his wife.

“Gerard was very fearful of Allison not being able to manage a separation or a divorce. He had voiced concerns about her mental strength… I was very aware of Allison’s depression from day one when Gerard told us all about her illness,” she said.

“He was very concerned that she wouldn’t handle it and that would impact on the girls.”

Ms McHugh said she was with Baden-Clay at a conference when they began openly discussing a car together but their conversation would also swing the other way, too.

“It was a rollercoaster,” she said.

She said the business was not running well and there was “a lot of stress” after moving to a bigger premises at Taringa and following the employment of a large number of inexperienced real estate agents.

“And the floods,” she said.

Ms McHugh said her relationship with Baden-Clay was seen as the catalyst for the business failing.

She said two partners left the business shortly afterwards and portions of the rent roll were sold between them.

Ms McHugh said she had travelled to interstate conferences together but had not “gone away” as such, beyond day trips.

“Immediately, as soon as Allison found out,” she said of the day she stopped working at Century 21.

She said she was in a staff meeting or sales meeting when Baden-Clay was called away.

“When I came back, he still hadn’t returned, and I asked one of the … I said does anyone know where G is and I was told one of the girls is not well,” she said.

“So I rang to see if everything was okay and that’s when Gerard said: ‘we need to talk, she knows’.”


3:50pm: Toni McHugh told the jury she met Gerard Baden-Clay at her unit in St Lucia to discuss his wife finding out about the affair.

She said the accused told her his wife found out at the school canteen, from a person who had known one of the former partners in the Century 21 business.

“It’s over. I said ‘I’m not going back to work’, I guess I reacted with disbelief at first,” Ms McHugh said.

She said they had been together for an hour when Baden-Clay told her the affair was over.

“I think we talked about that … that was the right thing to be doing,” she said.

Ms McHugh said she was angry the partner had betrayed the trust of both of them.

She said she tried to phone and text Baden-Clay and asked him to reconsider.

Ms McHugh said she started a new job at Ray White and was “starting to feel like I was accepting his choice”, roughly two or three months later.

She said Baden-Clay contacted her one Saturday morning, just before Christmas in 2011


“I was actually at work, I was driving to a property, and he rang, he said ‘It’s me, can we talk?’… yes I can meet you afterwards at a café,” she said.

She said they met at a coffee shop.

“He explained to me that he wasn’t ready to leave his wife but he was going to leave his wife and that he wanted me to know that,” she said.

“That he loved me and one day he did want to come to me unconditionally.”

Ms McHugh said she knew Ms Baden-Clay had started working in the business “pretty much from day one” since her departure.

She said she began to see the accused again, either in daytime hours, or in a very brief window after his wife had gone to collect his children.

“Phone calls, no texting and email,” she said.

Ms McHugh said she saw Baden-Clay almost on a daily basis, except for weekends, from that time onwards.

She said she last saw the accused at a coffee shop in Kelvin Grove.

“We talked about not seeing each other again,” she said.

“No longer actually meeting physically. It was too hard and I agreed, it was too hard.”

Ms McHugh said she was surprised.

“I questioned whether he was having doubts about being together and I asked him, I said if you need to be with your wife, if that’s the decision you are making, make it, say it,” she said.

She said he told her: “I am leaving my wife”.


Ms McHugh said she pressed Baden-Clay for information when he told her: “I will be out of my marriage by 1 July.”

She said were discussions between them about the future of the relationship but no formal plans were made.

Ms McHugh said she talked about living arrangements and would “entertain it but never really got practical with anything”.

The jury was shown an email Ms McHugh wrote to the Bruce Overland account, in which she told him she was “sick of being second best” and gave him an ultimatum.

She explained it was written when she was angry.

A second email on March 27, 2012 showed Ms McHugh was looking at rental properties.

The final email sent to Ms McHugh from the Bruce Overland account on April 3, 2012 said: “I have given you a commitment and I intend to stick to it – I will be separated by 1 July.”

She said she did not know why Baden-Clay suggested July 1.

“In actual fact I just didn’t believe it, I didn’t believe it at all,” she said.

Another email from the Bruce Overland account to Ms McHugh on April 11 was shown to the jury, in which was written: “I love you GG. Leave things to me now.”

She said she was angry a lot.


Ms McHugh will return to the witness box tomorrow morning







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42 thoughts on “Gerard Baden-Clay Murder Trial – Day 4 – 16TH JUNE, 2014 (New Posters Welcome)

  1. Upon reflecting upon week 1’s evidence, it seems well planned, serving as a good overview of

    1. What neighbours heard: A cross section of some of what BC neighbours and people living close to the Kholo Creek experienced around the time that Allison ‘disappeared’. People may not be totally sure of exact times and unfortunately no one felt they had solid enough evidence to report what they heard, but the numerous accounts of female screaming and thuds heard clearly illustrate that Allison’s life was taken from her deliberately and forcefully.
    2. Evidence of a struggle: Plenty of evidence of a struggle. In spite of Allison’s COD not being clear due to the length of time her body remained undiscovered, she had a broken tooth (takes quite a blow to achieve this), and signs of injuries to her head, chest, I think also leg. The one person who wanted to be rid of her (as promised to his mistress), and also had very good reason for wanting her insurance pay-out (he was in close to a $million debt, and in spite of being in arrears even with his telephone a/c did keep her insurance premiums paid!), sported a whole range of scratch and bruise injuries the next morning on his face and body, all in line with having been in a physical altercation during the night/early morning – in contradiction to his evidence that he was in bed sleeping like a baby all night (the latter also contradicted by this phone being put back to charge in the early morning hours).

    3. What family members said/did the next morning: None of the family evidence seemed very believable. GBC pretending he and Allison were working hard at making their troubled marriage work…yea right! He constructs concerning text messages but does not mount a major search for her throughout the day, instead he seems resigned to her not being found, and dresses in a suit ready for business as usual (and seeing a lawyer?). The kids say their parents never argue. And even though numerous neighbours were woken up from deep sleep with the amount of commotion going on and dogs barking incessantly, none of the children own up to hearing anything…??? A bit odd. They could have been drugged on the night, but their parents never arguing which we know is not true??? Did Gerard and Allison go outside and sit in a car after their bedtime and argued there for years, in order to leave the children with this false impression of harmony? Or were they debriefed from the moment they woke up and let know what they should and should not say to anyone asking?? Now 2 years on will they own up to a different scenario if questioned, one wonders…. As for NBC, evidence either appeared contrived and not the truth, or he conveniently could not recall….hmmm… quite telling also. His behavior that morning was very unusual, more interested in removing a hose and vacuum cleaner form the premises and contacting a lawyer for GBC than searching for Allison or empathizing with her parents. I don’t think he will do well at all when cross examined or facing evidence at odds with his testimony. But importantly, he has now nailed his colours to the mast, and will have to live with the consequences.

    The scene has been set for week 2….


    • Thank you so much for your summary of Week 1, RIP Allison, very well said, and succinctly put.

      A wonderful post to start off this next week, thank you.


    • Had GBC been dressed in pyjamas, looked unkempt, including unshaved, and had he called Allison’s parents first up, and had a proper conversation with them, his story might have had some semblance of credibility.


      • Dear Queensland Country Lady,

        Yes, good point. Instead he was wearing suit pants, white shirt and unbelievably (under the circumstances) ……….cufflinks!


  2. Thanks RIP, great post and I agree with you. Although the evidence may seem a bit random from the first week of the trial, I think the prosecution is presenting a time-line of the events and setting the scene. They started the trial with images of Allison’s body as it was found at Kholo Creek, confronting as those may be, as that’s a reminder of the reason why the jury is there, to investigate and make a decision about a murder and whether the accused committed that murder.

    The pathologist’s evidence, although he was dry and non-committal, stated that although he could not determine the cause of death, his opinion was that Allison did not die of natural causes. Although there was a great deal of further discussion, this was the message coming out of his testimony.

    Regarding the discovery of Allison’s body, I think one thing the jury will deliberate on is how did plant matter from the BC’s rear patio come to be found in her hair. How to explain her blood in the rear of the Captiva, given the children’s evidence, with one of her hairs lodged in the blood and the fact they had only had the vehicle for 8 weeks or so.

    I think the prosecution’s strategy, although it appears confusing at the moment, of discussing Allison’s depression and allowing witnesses to refer to it, is to take the sting out of the defense’s argument. I can’t really see what line of argument the defense can have, apart from Allison suffered from depression and raise the element of doubt that she took her own life. After all GBC and his team don’t have to prove anything. This line of defense, to my mind, is fraught with further questions for the jury members. If this were so, how did she arrive at Kholo Bridge?

    It’s a long shot when members of the jury work out that it was 14km from her home, the length of time it would take to reach there on foot, and the fact that no local member of the community saw her at all during this ‘walk’. I have no doubt that the plan was to leave one of the BC vehicles at the bridge, which would have cast a great deal of doubt in the jury’s minds. But that plan changed, for whatever reason and we may never know it.

    After NBC, I think OW will be taking the stand fairly soon following this timeline, as she and her father were there on the morning of 20th April. Then perhaps more QPS who were first on the scene, and after that all the financial and business evidence, the business partners, then the counsellor’s evidence, and TM’s evidence will be presented. Small pieces of a jig-saw puzzle slowly fitting together…

    Personally I’m intrigued to find out what will be revealed in TM’s final (fifth) statement after her session with QPS, the contents of which have not been revealed as yet. I’m intrigued too why she has turned witness for the prosecution (apart from the obvious that her lover, GBC, who was cheating on his wife to be with her, was found to be cheating on her with two further women.) In this trial I think there is a great deal at stake for TM, apart from merely the ‘woman scorned’.


    • Dear Sad for Allison,

      Thank you for such an insightful, beautifully written, wrap-up. Everyone writes so beautifully, it is a pleasure to read.

      Good luck today, we are thinking of you and looking forward to your return.


      • Sorry if I’m coming in with repetition, but again I have received no posts throughout the day.

        Just need to vent my spleen over Olivia now referring to herself as Baden-Walton.

        I’m not a violent person, but this little addition made me want to punch her lights out.


        • Dear GHS,

          WordPress has been playing up for ages, I wouldn’t rely on it delivering to you at all, I am so sorry.

          I agree, GHS, there is a lot in Olivia’s statement that irks me. She is obviously lying, by omission, with regard to Allison vomitting due to her depression, as obviously from cross examination, chances are she was pregnant. When cross examined, the BC’s don’t have recollection at all, unless it suits their purpose. OW KNOWS!!!

          Someone left a teacup out, so the police would think Allison had a cup of tea in the morning, a pretty teacup – I wonder whom that may have been? Mrs Dickie said that Allison never drinks tea from a teacup.

          All the depression talk from OW was in the present tense, not when Allison was in fact known to be depressed, with post-partum depression, ten years ago.

          Olivia apparently told her father there were something like 15 police cars at the house, that is why they rang lawyers. Under cross examination, she didn’t own up to saying that.

          Sneaky, sneaky.


  3. I’ve returned from my day in court today, and before I comment on it, can I just say that for anyone hoping to hear proceedings from court 11 where the accused and jury are seated, there is very little chance. We queued for an hour and only 5 people were let in. After lunch we were first in the queue and got into court 11, to be death stared and harassed by family members who asked us if we had no compassion (before the seats were filled) at which point we beat a hasty retreat back to the courtroom upstairs where we’d been all morning.

    From the latter you have a good view via video-link of the Judge, witness on the stand and the barristers, which is not the same obviously as being the the main courtroom. Although it’s still a courtroom, there is more opportunity for the public to interact and even cheer and laugh in certain situations.

    NBC was first, followed by OW (called Baden Walton?). They are both very confident witnesses and much was said about Allison’s depression and anxiety, although later in the day it appeared this may be related to post-natal depression and that she was a very accomplished woman in many ways. NBC as a former insurance worker said it was his idea to report A’s death very early. He thought it might have been a day or two after her body was found – I think records may indicate otherwise? He made a comment that a manifestation of Allison’s depression was that she often “dressed in black, grey and cream/white” and “never bright colours”. This didn’t go down very well in the courtroom we were in with much comment.

    I was interested in OW’s testimony, there was one point though where I definitely felt she was uncomfortable which was in relation to a photo put up on the screen that she took of GBC at the cross-country the morning of 19th April 2012. She was questioned about whether she noticed any injuries on him, and stammered visibly. There was another moment where she stretched her mouth widely which suggested a lack of truth when OW said how she often looked after the BC girls as Allison found it difficult to cope, and prepared meals for them when ABC ‘broke’ her ankle, and she said she did this prior to this and after ABC recovered from her injury. She also was encouraged to recall an incident where Allison’s anxiety was evident, and said it was going to a playgroup with OW and ABC’s oldest children where Allison vomited on arrival, and (this was hard to stomach) released her bladder in the car. On cross examination OW agreed that ABC could have been pregnant at the time. She was very relaxed in the stand even saying “yeah, sure”.

    Priscilla Dickie finally had her say regarding her daughter’s death. She was lively and quite a character! She said they currently live at Yemanto in Ipswich, which makes me think the older daughter may be at Ipswich Grammar now, which was Allison’s dream, although she didn’t say so.

    She said that the BC’s never owned their own house, even though Allison really wanted to and PD expressed her dismay at this. Great provider GBC, was the intimation! She said she “couldn’t believe it” when her husband and her arrived at the BC home on 20th April after GBC had called them to say Allison was missing, that GBC was wearing a pinked-striped shirt and a tie and “was calm as a cucumber” greeting the Dickies and offering them a cup of tea. She noticed that the house appeared sterile, and not as it usually was, and there were teacups with saucers ready which they had never been offered in their life before. She found this “very strange”.

    At one point GBC took the Dickies and Kerry-Anne aside into the couple’s bedroom and Priscilla asked GBC whether they slept in the bed together the night before and he said yes. She questioned him as to what happened and he said she wasn’t there when he awoke. The bed was made, she said. She said “something wasn’t right about the house”, it “was spick and span” not like a house with three young children as she knew it.

    She became visibly upset on the stand remembering a brass framed photo of ABC and GBC which was always on a particular piece of furniture of them with their backs to the camera which PD used to tease ABC about, which ABC said was them “walking into the future”. It was placed somewhere else which she seemed to find quite distressing.

    Allison’s mother said she was aware of ABC’s postnatal depression after the birth of the first two girls which she “definitely got over” and said she did have anxiety at times, “what woman with 3 children under 6 wouldn’t?” Allison also told her mother that GBC had told her in 2010 that he no longer loved her, and spoke to her mother about her problems. On hearing this PD suggested that ABC to come to them on the coast, but Allison said she wanted to make the marriage work as she loved her husband. PD couldn’t talk to Allison in depth when they visited as when the older daughter was young at Gubberly Street, the baby monitor was always on and GBC could “listen to them” from the garage where he worked. ABC said to her mother she “wanted to be a better person” and tried to be what GBC wanted her to be.

    Re the BC’s and Dickies and whether they interacted, PD said “ah, no, no”. They did meet a few times but that was all.

    Geoff Dickie did not look at all well, really quite frail and the barristers appeared concerned about not keeping him on the stand too long. He last saw Allison on Easter Sunday at Tallebudgera and she was happy, she was “always happy with the family”. They next spoke to her on the phone later when she and the girls rang to thank the Dickies for the tickets to the musical ‘Annie’ which they’d bought for them, which they apparently loved. Geoff said Allison sounded “normal and wonderful”. When GBC rang GD to say Allison was missing, and he told GBC they would come straight to Brookfield, he said GBC was ‘silent’. Asked whether GBC’s parents were there when they arrived GD said he first saw NBC downstairs “loading a vacuum into the car”.

    Kerry-Ann Walker was a real trouper, confident and clearly spoken. She was Allison’s best friend and had known her for 30 years and said they spoke about everything. She said Allison had post-natal depression and never saw any signs of anxiety in her. In 2010 Allison told Kerry-Ann that Gerard said he no longer loved her, but she loved him and wanted to make the marriage work, and tried very hard to do this. Allison was someone who researched things and tried to resolve things rather than walk away. The defense tried really hard to rattle Kerry-Anne, repeating to her over and over ‘you were her best friend and yet you didn’t see her get teary, have mood swings etc’ and KAW stuck to her guns and said ‘no’ over and over again. I wanted to clap for her at the end of her testimony as she is effectively Allison’s voice.

    Asked whether Allison ever told KAW that GBC was having an affair, she said “no”. She believed the reason for this was that Allison knew if she told KAW this, KAW would have encouraged her “to get out of there”, and Allison didn’t want to leave the marriage. In 2011 Allison was working hard on her marriage, anxious from time to time and just being the best mum she could be. Allison was “hard on herself” and said she often made mistakes, but wanted to improve herself, and believed “everything would be fine”. Allison confessed to KAW though that there were “extensive problems” in the marriage. Rather than confess to KAW regarding GBC’s infidelity, Allison sought professional help, regularly and when she thought it was needed.

    We found out for the first time who the kayaker was who discovered Allison’s body – Darryl Joyce, a research scientist at UQ. The interesting part of his evidence was that he said he saw Allison’s body “directly under the bridge, almost in the middle” lying on her side facing away from the creek. He didn’t attempt to get out of the canoe as the creek was high and flowing swiftly towards the Brisbane River, and the bank was slippery and steep. Allison’s body was about a meter above the water.

    At 3pm Toni McHugh took the stand. I have dealt with her personally over several months when she sold our home in Kenmore, and I must say she looked surprisingly young, but very much like a broken woman. While I don’t condone her behaviour in having a protracted affair with a married man for one minute, she appeared very much the victim of a manipulative lying man, making promises he didn’t intend to keep. She was trite, softly spoken and I have to say pretty brave under the circumstances. She teared up a few times, and the defense cross-examined her at the end of the day’s hearing and painted a picture of her as someone that GBC had promised her things he never delivered on, and broke up with her and told her to move on, while she wanted the relationship to continue (to which she said “yes”). The defense barrister asked her whether GBC ever showed any disrespect to ABC to which opened she her eyes wide and replied “the affair was disrespectful”. She looked very sad I thought, blinking her eyes slowly. She did say, in answer to this question as to whether GBC was “disrespectful to Allison”, that she and GBC didn’t talk about Allison much at all (for obvious reasons!)

    When asked why she thought GBC brought up on a few occasions, the date of 1st July that he would be with her unconditionally, she said she thought he just sucked the date out of his thumb and she didn’t believe him, and that the date possibly had to do with his business.

    Regarding the conference the next day, when TMcH found out on 19th April that, as GBC put it “two of my staff will be at the conference as well”, she said she knew that meant Allison and Kate Rankin as they were working in property management. She says she “lost it” and was raging at him. Asked what his reply was, she said it was silence. She asked him “what his plan was”, what he was going to do to change things for them to be together. She asked to see him as their phone calls were never longer than 10 minutes or so (voice breaking, sipping water) and the afternoon of 19th April he said he “had to go” and she could hear his girls in the background. She was wiping her eyes and sipping water. Another woman scorned…

    It was interesting when TMcH spoke about her meeting up with GBC in the Valley after 20th April, and he said something along the lines of she should fall in love with someone else and he “suspected things weren’t going to be looking good for him.”


    • Dear Sad for Allison,

      Thank you for the wonderful report. You filled in a lot of holes that weren’t reported during the day today. It is a pitty you can’t attend every day.

      Just wonderful, thank you.



  4. Thanks, SFA, that was really excellent; your observations add so much, it’s almost as good as being there and seeing with own eyes.
    Hope you are ok and having a big glass of wine xx


  5. Dear SFA, thank you so much for an amazing portrayal of what must have been a most intense and emotional day.

    Your insights are invaluable….I have no doubt that you are already asleep.

    I’m sure I am just one of many people grateful to you.


  6. Thank you so very much Sad for Allison for the lovely first hand account of proceedings today!

    Golly it sounds as if the BC’s are laying the depression/dysfunction/suicide slant on very think! I hope this untruth assists in their undoing. I can barely believe that NBC thinks he can diagnose depression from the colour clothes someone prefers to wear. My boss must be depressed too! How silly.

    I can imagine the Dickies alarm to arrive at Allison’s house on 20/4 to find GBC decked out in all his finery, cuff links included. And the house spring=cleaned and tidied to the max, with tea being served in never before seen cups, and a photo of Allison and GBC, which had a lot of meaning for Allison, having been moved.

    Interesting that GBC told them they slept together the previous night, after he testified to QPS that he last saw Allison at 10pm watching footy (was she really very interested in footy??), and does not know what happened to her. I seem to remember he also told one witness she went for an evening walk….telling tales has a way of catching up with one…..

    How controlling can a husband be than to listen in on your wife and mother-in-law’s conversation on a baby monitor…??? Grrrr…

    Interesting that Allison was lying right under the bridge and well above the high water level….definitely not a place one can jump to from above!

    TMcH may appear demure now but she seemed very forceful in asserting her way in those emails and text messages. Very forceful too about Allison not being allowed to attend the conference. And I seem to remember also very keen for GBC to collect portraits of the two of them. i always wondered if he did not show them to Allison that fateful night…after telling her she was not to go to the conference…

    One would think if someone was waiting for years to get a commitment from a lover, if he promises a specific date like 1 July, one would ask WHY this date…??? I’m not sure I believe she did not care to ask about the date. Did he not promise also to have his financial mess sorted by EOFY? Then the logical explanation is that he foresaw sorting out his debts by 30 June and being rid of Allison and with her in the new financial year. So why is she so vague about this date? Is she trying to avoid any co-responsiblity for causing Allison’s murder?

    Glad to see GBC “he “suspected things weren’t going to be looking good for him.” He was right about one thing after all.


    • Yes RIP, I noticed that too, TMcH was very forceful, perhaps putting someone off forceful? Or, she was much closer to GBC than they are still revealing. It just seems that her demands don’t match the relationship’s level that they claimed where it was, it is a bit confusing. Confusion could mean there is more we don’t know?

      GBC gave TMcH the date of being free for her 1st July, 2012, I noticed TMcH made light of that date, saying he just “pulled it out of his thumb”. Huh? Which is it? Again, there isn’t any plain speaking, all seems not quite right. Although not as mealy mouthed as the BC’s.

      One thing I noticed, RIP, is that TMcH’s first statements to the police were very guarded. After the police told her that GBC had another two girlfriends, her statements were very open and really, revealing, for the prosecution’s case.

      She seemed a bit more guarded with her statements on the stand yesterday.

      Sad for Allison, did TMcH seem guarded or open?


      • TMcH seemed to have her mouth pulled down most of the time, but perhaps that is just the way her mouth is? The best word I can use to describe her yesterday is ‘forlorn’ and mostly very soft-spoken. At times she was guarded, and had to think about her answer, yes. It’s difficult to say whether she was open as such, I’d say not. She did laugh sort of ironically a few times (with no humour in it) especially when talking about GBC and become animated once or twice showing flashes of anger/annoyance.

        There was no suggestion of “I love him”, thank goodness, that wouldn’t been hard to take. I think in the 2 years since Allison’s death she has processed exactly how much of a ride GBC took her on. She didn’t appear so much like a victim, but more someone with a lot of regret is probably the best way to describe her demeanour.


  7. This contrived depression nonsense is pathetic and disgusting actually – belittling someone who can’t defend themselves. It is obvious the family had no time for Allison and this would have influenced the Gerb’s view of her and himself being far too good for her. I wouldn’t believe a word dead eyes sis says personally – obviously the lying is inherited. Making out he treated her like a princess – what a load of garbage – he was screwing around behind her back and lying to her continually. Surely anything said by family members who were assisting to cover up the crime can’t be taken seriously? Nigel is disgusting “notifying the insurance company” because they found the body where he had helped dump it under the bridge before it was even identified. These people have to be bought to justice and shown up for what they are. Sickening.


    • I can quite believe GBC would have “treated Allison like a princess and called her princess” at the start. This is how this type of person operates. GBC is a textbook narcissist.

      The way he played Toni McHugh is also classic. The evidence is all in her emails to him that she knew it too.

      If Allison was suffering from depression then I have some certainty that I know what the cause was. She never spoke about the problems in the relationship – she probably blamed herself for them, sadly.

      Thank you for this blog. Will bookmark it and check back.


    • ICanCU

      Beautifully said, absolutely beautifully said.

      Now, BC’s say Allison confided in Elaine with regard to her feeling terrible after the birth of her baby (ten years ago at the time).

      1. Who would with that lot? They didn’t care.
      2. Another statement they said Allison didn’t go over ONE TIME.

      Which is it? They can’t say many times, they give one example of something and try to make it seem as it is all and everything.

      Gosh, I’m a bit mad, your words are perfect, I did a drinkie of water, lol.

      I’m thinking of meeting them with one of their poor deer sculls, lol grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

      Humanitarian? They mount deer sculls on the front of their house? Isn’t that telling to how these people are? NBC then calls himself a Game Ranger and a Conservationist. Again, which is it?


    • Their contrived testimony is so blatantly obvious, They must think us mere mortals are total idiots.

      As for their concern and love for Allison and their still living grand-daughters, you couldn’t poke an antler at it.


  8. Day 4 Two completely different accounts of Allison’s character. And they couldn’t have been more opposite. Poles apart.
    One account portrays a depressed, incapable, lady who can’t even drive a car, lies around on the couch in the dark with the blinds drawn, (despite there were no blinds). Her bladder lost it in the car once, and she vomited, (when questioned more closely, agreed Allison may have been pregnant at the time). In all, a non coper.

    The other account of Allison’s character was opposite.
    Allison was positive, happy, and coped admirably under duress.
    My interpretation of the two different accounts is:
    One account is a Lie, a Fabrication, a furphy, a load of cods wallop.
    The other thought regarding events of day 4, SImon Gittany’s modes operandi and trial followed a very similar path.
    Including the family support.
    One family showed dignity strength and courage.
    One family appeared base, ignorant, and crude whilst at the same time appearing like it was all part of some show, or sporting event.


    • I should clarify comment above re the laudanum or something to make Allison into some sort of compliant idiot. Any thoughts like that would have been well before he thought up Plan B. Allison proved to be resilient, and not depressed. The insurance money was worth more to him than the life of his wife. Worth more than the mother of his children. And he was sure he could get away with murder.


      • I agree QCL, perhaps Jer-RED liked TMcH’s insistent nature? He liked that feeling of being forced to do something, was the nature of how he was raised.

        Allison, just wanted to love and work everyone out and be a family.

        Jer-RED liked the idea of clearing all, clearing his past, moving forward with the insurance money, TMcH and keeping the girls. He and TMcH had worked out what car they would buy to carry their blended family.


  9. He treated her like a princess, and told her that her undies smelled.
    He called her Angel, and used gas lighting techniques at the same time.


    • Dear QCL,

      GBC has huge problems, perhaps he was overdoing his “affairs” hiding how he truly feels about his own sexuality?

      Besides that, a nasty piece of work.


      • GBC had huge problems ?
        IMO What he wanted was for his wife: Some Doctor who would prescribe some medication such as Laudanum. No questions asked. A drug that was supposed to make a normally astute woman turn into some type of zombie person who obeyed as told. She not only overlooked the infidelities; but imagined the affairs didn’t actually take place in the first place. Ideal for a woman who blamed herself for HIS indiscretions. Sort of gave the adulterer a free reign, whilst at the same time causing the wife to blame herself.
        What an extraordinary concoction of lies by proxy. Sad but true.
        The way I see it; this jerk! Ooops mispronunciation, Jer-RED character thought he had everything under total control. Including the listening devices operating when then the Mother in law was there!!! (Simon Gittany’s control techniques)
        What has become evident these last few days, (actually these past couple of years) is; that someone has a severe mental illness, and that same someone has been twisting his problems onto his wife. Worse, has been painting her (with the help of others) to be some type of a-copic, depressive, individual with poor bladder control and who vomits whilst (possibly) pregnant. And who doesn’t drive a car. In all; a nut case, a fruit loop, a problem to be eliminated.
        The truth: Pretty much opposite.


        • Dear QCL,

          Yes, I agree with you, Allison was very much the opposite. She was a shining light that the whole family couldn’t emulate so they shut her down. Imagine OW being such a turncoat. She said that she was Allison’s friend and she “loved her”. OMG, twisting facts.

          Good name, Jer-RED, with his listening devices. Most men wouldn’t be bothered, I just can’t believe the attempt at control. Allison did well to stay afloat we well as she did, she was a fighter, but just wanted to love everyone.


  10. I agree QCL,

    Sad for Allison said that OW’s facial expressions changed with some of the things that she referred to, her mouth pulling somehow, when she was speaking about Allison allegedly vomiting in the car; OW also stammered when talking about GBC’s bee bite.

    How low, a woman, probably being pregnant, and OW using that to support their only way out of getting GBC off, the “Suicide Theory”.

    The girls are around two years apart, chances of Allison being pregnant at that time, high. OW “not recalling” if she was pregnant or not – TELLING!!!

    How despicable. One lie and people know to watch out. The back peddling, too.

    Unbelievable with regard to the reference to Allison’s choice of clothes by NBC, if they were a darker colour, well, there is fashion. I am surprised NBC noticed, he and Elaine were too busy watching tv in another statement to notice other things, when under cross examination. They seem to like to state their mealy mouthed comments, depending on what they want people to believe, changing their stories, accordingly.

    When someone tells the truth, as did dear Mrs Dickie, and Allison’s best friend, they speak in a straight forward manner, not mealy mouthed as do those joker BC’s.

    Will be interesting to see what the church does if GBC is found guilty.

    I also have a question.

    What reasons could OW have been dishonourably discharged for? What is HER history?


  11. I also have to say, these things mull around in my head…

    OW said Allison didn’t drive because of her depression (no wonder Allison’s friends were walking out of court). What rot.

    In my family, if going out with the family, the man ALWAYS drives, it is just the way it is and has been from generation to generation.

    They had two cars,

    Allison attended Ballet, she drove to the hairdresser, out to lunch, to conferences to work and took the children to school.

    If Allison didn’t like to drive, who is OW to diagnose the reason? What is her background? Could she have been discharged due to a disability? What disabilities are there for discharge?

    I bet the defense interviewed those BC’s and said, “let us think of things to back up our “‘depression theory’, can you think of anything in the last 14 years that you can refer to that we can use for our defence?”

    Yes, the NBC’s testimony was:

    1. Once Allison allegedly sat on the lounge with the (non existant) screens shut in the dark – so????? Women do feel unwell 12 times a year, or we might catch a cold. SO????
    2. Once (when probably pregnant) Allison was sick in the car.
    3. GBC drives the car – she must be depressed.
    4. Once Allison didn’t visit BC’s.


    Now, we have the HUGE list against to compare to, of why GBC is allegedly guilty and has been charged of murder, that we’ve already spoken about.



    • I’d be pretty confident that the Judge is forming his own opinions about these clowns.

      And I’d very surprised if his summing up didn’t include his observations about their intent to con the jury.


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