Gerard Baden-Clay Murder Trial – Day 13 – 1st July, 2014

Day 13

OUR REPORTS ARE IN DETAIL, UPDATED AS IT HAPPENS, FROM OTHER DIRECT SOURCES

TUESDAY, 1ST JULY, 2014.

CROSS EXAMINATION  OF GERARD BADEN-CLAY TODAY

The public gallery, Court 11, where the trial is being held, is for family and friends only.

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Thank you to GerbilHuntingSeason,who quoted:

“A fitting tribute to a man who asked his daughter to patch up his shaving cuts, don’t you think?”

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 HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DEAR ALLISON

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 Day 13 – third day of evidence for GBC, court will resume shortly.

Court – phone records.

 

GBC, “This is a call that Allison made to her hairdresser saying that she is on her way.  Next call is phoning my mother after being finished at parent teacher interview to say I am on my way.  A call at 4.57pm from a recruitment company calling me for a reference.  Next call is Allison phoning me to touch base. Next call at 5.01pm is from Baden-Clay Real Estate to my phone, it is the office phone being diverted.

Two calls from Toni, it was a conversation where I told her that she would be going to the same conference as Allison.  Toni was not happy that she and Allison would be together the next day.  I had no concerns about it.  There’d be hundreds of people there and Allison was not the confrontational type.  Next call from office.”

Gerard is detailing more calls that are back and forth from the office.

GBC, “Next two called were from Toni, they were discussing the conference again.  Toni was upset about it.  She didn’t want to see Allison, she asked me to tell Allison, I never agreed to, and certainly never did tell her that Toni would be there the next day.    I did not want to open a can of worms with Allison and reveal I’d been speaking with Toni.  There wasn’t a guarantee that they would see each other anyway.”

Edit – Of course they would, a few hundred people is nothing!

GBC, “Next call is from Allison’s mobile to the home number, nobody answered.  Next call is from Allison to my mobile, Allison was calling to say that she had finished her hair appointment.

Text messages from my father and sister.

I received a text message at 7.42pm from a woman named Sally about real estate matters.  I  sent a group email congratulating an employee on getting a new listing.”

Exchanges between Olivia and her husband Ian.  Text from Gerard to his father, perhaps thanking them for looking after the children.  Text from Olivia to Allison at 8.16pm, GBC thinks it was about plans for the sleepover the following night.

Another group text to staff members at 8.22pm about some of Allison’s successes that she told GBC about.

GBC, “At that time Allison and I were sitting on the couch, I might have been doing some ironing.”

Next call is from Allison to Olivia at 8.28pm probably about sleepover arrangements.  Text from GBC to his father, probably continuing from the earlier group congratulatory email.   Communication between Toni and her ex partner. Olivia’s husband to Olivia. Moved onto calls and messages from 20th April, 2012. The first listing might be GBC’s brother calling from Canada.

GBC, “6.32am is the first call I made to Al.  Next call to mum and dad, at 645am I tried calling Allison’s mobile again.”

Next call is GBC calling his parents home phone.  He is crying, he said that he’d not received a response from Allison, so he called his parents.

GBC IS CRYING AND SIPPING WATER, APOLOGISING.

 

 

GBC, “This phonecall is when  I called my parents to tell them Allison hadn’t come home.  I tried to call Indooroopilly police, my father and sister were coming over, I tried to call an officer I know.  The officer didn’t answer, so I hung up.”

GBC is describing the conversation he had with his sister as she was driving the streets looking for Allison.  He spoke to his father, Nigel said that he was on his way.

At 7:02am GBC tried phoning Allison again.

GBC crying as he describes getting Allison’s voicemail telling her to “please call.”

GBC said that he kept calling as he thought Allison was more likely to hear the ringing of the phone than a text.

A call from the home phone to Allison’s mobile.  GBC thinks it was his daughters or his Dad at the house.  Next call is from Gerard to his sister.  They discussed what Allison would have been wearing.

Text to Allison, followed by GBC calling the lady who was to accompany Allison to the conference.  The next call was between GBC and sister talking about whether it was too early to call the police.

Gerard is crying as he described calling the non-emergency police number.  He hung up and called 000.  Gerard called his sister to let  her know that he’d called the police and was on the way home.

Call between GBC and Olivia, followed by a call between GBC’s parents.  Calls from GBC’s father trying to get through to his mother.  Further calls from the home phone to Allison’s mobile at 8:48am, it may have been a police officer.  Calls between GBC’s mother and father.

Calls to Brookfield State School.  Another call from the lady who Allison was to attend the conference with.  Calls from the home phone to a friend of GBC’s and Allison’s.  GBC phoned to let them know that Allison was missing.

Calls between Olivia and her husband, calls between GBC’s parents.

Call at 9:51am to Allison’s father.  This was Gerard letting them know she was missing.  Mr Dickie told GBC they’d come straight up.  Gerard tried to call his friend Rob Cheesman, then his friend Peter Cranna.  After calling his friends, GBC called Allison’s best friend Kerry-Anne Waller.

At 10.01am GBC called Brookfield State School and touched base with the principal.

GBC, “We’ve been living in our Brookfield rental home for five years.  We had two children and then a third on the way when we moved in.”

JURY – Scale floor plan of GBC and Allison’s Brookfield home.  There is also a site plan of the property, the plans are not being shown to the gallery.  GBC is taking the court through the main bedroom and walk in wardrobe areas.

GBC, looking at the plans: “Allison slept on the right hand side of the bed and I slept on the left.”

 

Police photograph taken inside the Baden-Clay's home.

 

“The girls’ bedrooms are all on the opposite side of the house, on the other side of the family/lounge area.

Photograph – GBC is pointing out the carport area.  He said that two of the girls’ rooms are above the garage due to the way the ground slopes.  The carport area is open on three sides.

 

Layout of the Baden-Clay's home.

Photograph – Front of house.  Gerard is pointing out his daughter’s window which overlooks the carport’s roof.

GBC, “Allison had reversed parked the Captiva into the carport on 19th April, 2012.”

Photograph – House plans.  GBC is talking that the carport under the house is used for storage.

Photograph – Aerial photo of Brookfield.  GBC has located his house.  He is using the aerial photo to show, in detail, the two main walking routes that Allison used.

GBC, “the first walking path is around the school, the second to the old people’s home.  These were the routes Olivia searched more than once that morning.”

 

Defence is discussing the admissions made earlier in the trial.

 

FIRST ADMISSION – The first call Gerard made to an insurance company to ask how he could make a claim on Allison’s life insurance.

Gerard is crying 

GBC, “The day before police had found Allison’s body.  My father told me that I had an obligation.  My father said that he had an obligation to inform the insurance company of  her death.”

GBC denies that he was under financial and relationship pressures, that night, of 19th April, 2o12.

GBC, “The business was looking better.  It is absolutely untrue that I wanted to leave my wife for Toni McHugh.  I didn’t have any concerns that Toni and Allison would come together at the conference on 20th April.  Allison was not confrontational.”

 

More lies, GBC said that the last contact with TMcH was January/February, 2012.

 

Defence has finished questioning Gerard.

 

CROSS EXAMINATION

 

Todd Fuller, “Mr Baden-Clay you deceived your wife for nearly four years didn’t you?”

GBC,  “Yes.”

Speaking loudly and forcefully, Mr Fuller stood at the bar with his hands folded in front of him. Mr Baden-Clay sat in the witness box responding to Mr Fuller’s questions in a hushed tones, prompting Justice John Byrne to request the former real estate agent speak louder. Mr Baden-Clay sat in the witness box with his hands folded in his lap

 

Fuller, “Gerard led Allison to believe things were over with Allison.  Allison was not the only person Gerard deceived, as he deceived Toni as well.  It was not a fantasy of Toni’s.”

GBC, “Part of it was a fantasy.”

Fuller, “I would like the emails between Gerard and Toni to be shown again.  You’d given Toni a direct commitment hadn’t you?”

GBC, “I sent that email.”

Fuller, “Allison still had hope for the relationship, and was seeing a marriage counsellor.  Allison had been working at their relationship, going to counselling for years.  Behind her back, Gerard was giving Toni commitments.”

Judge directs GBC, “Answer the question.”

Gerard Baden-Clay in the stand.

Fuller, “What did you mean when you emailed Toni saying, “this is agony?.  It was too painful for you.  The two of them couldn’t be together, that pains you both?”

GBC, “that is correct.  I often told her things she wanted to hear to placate her.”

Fuller, “How did you think this was going to affect his volatile woman?”

GBC, “I hoped it would calm her.”

Fuller is talking about Toni’s panic attacks, her fainting at work.

GBC, “That is what she told me”.

Fuller, “I love you, those are words you said to her quite often.  But you didn’t mean them?”

GBC, “I said those things to maintain the sexual relationship.”

Fuller, “In April, when you emailed that you love her, Toni was no longer in the business.  You were no longer having sex.  Why were you still communicating with her?  Not for the business, not for the sex.”

GBC, “To placate her.  I can’t remember why I told her I loved her on three occasions in the April communication.”

Fuller, “Did you want to resume the relationship in December, 2011?”

GBC,  “No” (GBC said yes earlier).

Fuller, “The 1st July date you gave Toni about the date of separation was your wife’s birthday?”

GBC, “Yes”.

Fuller, “You gave the same commitment to Toni at the coffee shop.  Toni gave you an out that day.”

GBC, “I can’t remember.”

Fuller “Toni was quite reasonable.  You couldn’t live without her could you?  That’s why you went back to her.  You told your wife you didn’t love Toni McHugh.  You told the jury you were in it just for the sex.  Why did you tell your staff you loved Toni McHugh?”

GBC, “Some of my staff had a relationship with her.”

Fuller, “You will say anything to get yourself out of a situation.”

GBC, “In this case I did.”

Fuller, “The way you are seen is the most important to you.  You deceived people into thinking your relationship and business were a success.  You didn’t advertise out the front that you had to sublease the office to an IT company, did you?”

Fuller is talking about GBC’s other affairs.

Fuller, “How did you chose to work for Raine and Horne?”

Fuller, “Did you have an affair with a woman from work after you left?  So you took their business and then you had an affair with one of the staff.”

Fuller, “The Baden-Clays were entrenched in the Brookfield community.  In return for GBC’s deceptions of various people, they gave him their loyalty.  Allison protected his image, even though he cheated on her.  Gerard says he can’t say what Allison was doing.  Toni protected Gerard, didn’t tell people about the affair.   Particularly after the breakup.  He said she didn’t cause any trouble for him.  The affair wasn’t common knowledge.”

GBC, “I told my staff.”

Fuller, “Gerard had misled his staff about the affair, he told them he loved Toni.  The representation of Gerard’s life didn’t really have a ring of truth about it.”

GBC, “We were rebuilding.”

Fuller, “Gerard was deleting Toni’s phone calls, telling her not to text him, using a hidden email account.  When were you going to be open and honest with Allison?”

GBC, “Potentially ever”.

Fuller, “There was a real risk that she was going to walk out.”

GBC, “Of course there was a risk.  “Ultimatum” is too strong a word.”

Fuller, “She said choose her or me.”

Fuller, “Allison made Gerard put an app on his phone, she came to work in his office.  She had taken Toni’s place.”

GBC, “She was at that desk, yes.”

Fuller, “Allison had to face all the people he’d told about the affair, the people he’d told he loved Toni.  He didn’t tell staff he loved Toni McHugh, then he said he did to a couple.”

GBC,  “I still disagree that my business was in trouble.  We were well on the way to having it fixed.  I liked to treat Allison as a princess.”

Fuller, “Did Allison tell you that she regretted marrying you?”

GBC, “No”.

Fuller, “Did Allison tell you that she regretted travelling overseas with you?”

GBC, “No.”

Fuller, “Gerard mentioned his well paying job and Allison’s low paying job in London.  Depression was linked to the birth of the three children.”

GBC. “No, it stemmed from childhood.”

Fuller, “The only professional help Allison had overseas was to visit an outpatient doctor.  They sought no professional help until Allison’s second pregnancy with their daughter.  By 2012, depression issues were in the distant past.”

GBC, “No”.

Fuller, “Let’s look at Allison dealing with finding out about your affair.  There wasn’t any lying around on the couch.”

GBC, “Yes there was on occasion.  She took it very, very, hard, numerous times lying on the couch, going to bed early.”

Fuller, “She was working three to four days a week, enthused about work, involved with the children.  You don’t believe depression is an illness?

GBC, “Not at the start.”

Fuller is reading GBC’s comments from a psychologist where he says, “I don’t believe in depression being an illness.”

GBC, “In the past I believed that.  Allison had a number of panic attacks, I was working from home at the time.”

Fuller, “You hadn’t stayed home because of Allison, you’d been made redundant.”

During the second pregnancy Allison visited Dr George and was put on antidepressants.  She went off the medication and only went bac on when she fell pregnant again.  There were no issues after that.”

GBC, “There were ongoing issues”.

Fuller, “Do you believe that the three years with Toni were a relationship?”

GBC, “It was an affair.”

Fuller, “What was it between December 2011 and April, 2012?”

GBC, “It wasn’t an affair.”

Fuller, “Why did you call Toni to ask whether she had told police about the affair?”

GBC said insistently, “I told Toni to tell police everything”.

Fuller, “What did you do to end things with Toni on numerous occasions?”

GBC, “On one occasion I sat her down and ended it.”

Fuller, “She was in the business then, was volatile.  How did you find the strength to do it then and not later?”

GBC, “I had been pretty clear with the court. I had the strength to end it and the weakness to go back into it.”

Fuller, “Did Allison ever see Toni after finding out about the affair?”

GBC, “They saw each other a the gym.”

Fuller, “Why did you take Toni to real estate functions instead of your wife?”

GBC, “I can’t think of any.”

Fuller, “What about the real estate conference in Sydney?”

GBC, “I invited Toni”.

Fuller, “You invited Toni the day after sleeping with someone else.”

Fuller asks GBC about the other woman.

GBC, “We discussed sleeping together prior to the conference.”

Fuller, “Why did you need that woman when you were already having an affair with Toni?”

GBC, “Maybe I was trying to end it.”

Fuller, “You invited Toni, she stayed in your room, it is unlikely you were trying to break up with her.”

Fuller, “You sold the cars, you got rid of the Lexus as you were under financial pressure.”

GBC, “The financial pressure wasn’t significant.”

 

Edit: Is anyone getting tired of GBC? lol

 

Fuller is reading out all of GBC’s loans at that time from friends and family.

Fuller, “You weren’t able to pay interest to your three friends, the Westpac loan and the family loans.  You were going backwards.”

GBC, “No”.

Fuller, “You were paying off the rent roll, you had to, it was your regular income.”

GBC, “That is correct”.

Fuller, “Sales were up and down, the rent roll was guaranteed.  It was important to you to  hold the rent roll because you wanted to control the business.”

GBC, “Yes”.

Fuller, “Your friends loosened the reins on the business after Allison began working there.”

Fuller is talking about Allison becoming general manager of the business and restricting his night time meetings.

Fuller, “Allison clearly believed that the affair was over.  You went back to Toni as you were concerned about her?”

GBC, “That is correct.”

Fuller, “You lost your freedom, didn’t you? Before you could see Toni at work, you could stay back late.  That was all gone.”

(edit so much for Angel GBC racing home to help Allison)

Fuller, “Up until then you had the best of both worlds.  You had Allison at home your lover on the side.  Toni was under your spell.  She was vulnerable from her own relationship troubles.”

GBC, “I didn’t think of her as vulnerable”.

Fuller, “You had been to Toni’s house and had sex with her there, plus the unit she later moved into.  You had sex in your car, you went to dinner and the movies.  You attended an conference in Sydney.  Toni McHugh genuinely cared for you, didn’t she?  She loved you? You responded by telling her that you loved her and that you’d be together.”

GBC, “I did say that.  The only date I gave  her was 1st July.”

Fuller, “You spoke about a car that would fit your children and her children.”

GBC, “I don’t remember that”.

COURT – Email between Toni and Gerard.

 

Gerard Baden-Clay and Toni McHugh's emails are submitted to the Brisbane Supreme Court where the father-of-three is standing trial for his wife Allison's murder.

Court exhibit

 

GBC, “That is her instigating something.”

Fuller, “It is clear that you had talked to Toni about moving out and finding somewhere to live.”

GBC, “She was constantly trying to put additional pressure on me.”

 

Gerard Baden-Clay and Toni McHugh's emails are submitted to the Brisbane Supreme Court where the father-of-three is standing trial for his wife Allison's murder.

 

 

 

Fuller, “Toni put pressure on you right up until 19th April, you said Toni told the court she hadn’t believed you.  You never told Allison that you’d told Toni that you loved her.”

GBC, “Yes, I did.”

Fuller, “You were resistant to talking about the affair when advised to by the marriage counsellor.  There was nothing on Allison’s list about Toni coming to the house.  You didn’t tell Allison about Toni coming to the house,”

GBC, “Yes I had”.

Fuller, “Allison didn’t have any issues sleeping in the house, she had issues with driving the Prado because you had had sex in it.”

Gerard asked for more water.

Edit – things are getting sticky, body language – dry throat…

Fuller, “When did you first tell Allison that you didn’t love her?”

GBC paused, “I can’t remember I did tell her that once, please forgive me, I’m just trying to recollect for you.”

OH BROTHER!!! (EDIT)

GBC, “I think it was in 2009 when we went to see Dr Tom George.  I further discussed it with Allison, I still loved her but I didn’t feel in love with her.”

Fuller, “You told Toni McHugh that you didn’t love your wife, didn’t you?”

GBC, ‘Yes”.

Fuller, “You met with Toni and said that you were going to leave your wife but  you weren’t ready yet”.

GBC is being asked to comment on – he can’t totally recollect.

Fuller, “You were there to check on Toni’s welfare, you did that by telling her that you loved her.  You told Toni that one day you would come to her unconditionally.”

GBC, “It was in a response to something she’d said.”

Edit – don’t you love the perfect recollection when it suits GBC and lack of memory when in a sticky situation?

Fuller, “You communicated on an almost daily basis, telephone calls, the Bruce Overland email account.  On occasion you would see each other, but under the new regime it was more difficult.  You told us you had sex with her, why did you do that?”

Gerard pauses, “One occasion was after meeting for coffee, after they sat in the car to talk longer.  How much sordid detail am I expected to give you, your honour?”

Fuller, “I didn’t ask for detail, I asked why you’d had sex.”

GBC, “It wasn’t sex as in intercourse, I don’t know if I can really answer that question.”

Fuller, “You were sexually intimate on more than one occasion, you had regular contact.  On 19th April, 2012, you were speaking on the phone to talk about how your days had gone.  Did you regard that you were in a relationship with her?”

GBC, “No.  I was trying to assist her in ending any idea that she had that there was any future with me.  I wanted Toni to be the one to tell me where to go.”

Fuller, “So why didn’t you end it with Toni McHugh?  Who was more important to you?:

GBC, “Allison, absolutely.”

Fuller is asking about a session with the marriage counsellor, Carmel Ritchie.

Fuller, “You told Carmel from the outset that Allison didn’t trust you.  That is when you were involved with Toni behind Allison’s back.  You were resistant to listening to Allison.  It was regressing.”

GBC, “No.  I didn’t want Allison bringing up painful things.  I felt for Allison, it was unhelpful.”

Gerard is explaining that mental illness is very difficult because you can’t see anything, you can see a broken leg.  Carmel convinced me it was beneficial in the long run.”

Fuller, “They were there because of your affair and you resisted the counsellor’s suggestion that would help Allison heal.  Did you agree to placate Allison, the counsellor?”

GBC, “I wasn’t having an affair with Carmel Ritchie and I wasn’t having an affair with my wife.”

Fuller is talking about the meeting in the coffee shop with Toni.

Fuller, “Toni told you that if you needed to be with your wife, to tell her.”

GBC, “No, I will be leaving my wife. I am being asked to comment on something I can’t remember.”

Fuller, “You said that you will be out of your marriage by 1st July, which is a matter of weeks before Allison’s disappearance.”

GBC, “As it transpires, yes”.

Fuller, “Toni told you if you wanted to be with your wife, fine, but tell her one way or the other.”

GBC, “I don’t remember that.  I remember telling Toni that I needed to end the physical contact.”

Fuller, “You told Allison that you didn’t love her prior to the appointment with Dr Geoge on 3rd June, 2009.”

GBC, “Yes”.

Fuller, “You told Dr George about the issues with your marriage, you didn’t mention the lack of sex.”

GBC, “I complained about Allison telling herself that she didn’t have depression.  I complained that Allison left things to me when I was home.”

GBC agreed that he was frustrated with Allison’s dependence on him.

Fuller, “You told Dr George that you were under severe financial pressure and you were frustrated that Allison bought a treadmill.”

GBC, “Interestingly, financially, things turned around after that.  I didn’t mention the affair, I didn’t want to put pressure on Allison to have sex with me.  Allison had put on weight and had low self esteem.  I didn’t want to pressure it.  It sounds pathetic.”

Fuller, “Do you remember what happened on Allison’s 40th birthday in 2008?  Did you write about it? You wrote a blog at times?  What about the November, 2008 entry?

GBC, “I don’t remember.  I wrote one about my favourite day of t he year.”

Fuller, “Unless it was your wife’s birthday?”.

Fuller is reading the blog aloud, talking about Gerard taking over wife duties when Allison was away.

 

Mr Todd Fuller turned his attention to a blog written by GBC about his wife’s 40th birthday when Allison visited a health spa for a week.

Mr Fuller read from the blog, “The past week I have been trying to do my best impersonation of my dear wife, and struggling.”

(The court had previously heard GBC claim his wife left most of the household duties to him due to her battle with depression.

He  told the court that Allison would go to bed, as soon as he arrived home from work, leaving the tasks of making dinner and putting the children to bed to him).

GBC laughed and said, ‘honestly’.

 

GBC’s defence barrister Michael Byrne QC raised a matter with Justice John Byrne.

The jury was excused from the courtroom.

Adjourned until 2.30pm for lunch.

 

Court has resumed – there is legal argument.  

Will report when jury returns.

Court is in session.

 

Fuller, “You went to see a doctor in 2010 at Allison’s request, you didn’t say anything about the affair then.”

GBC, “Yes”.

Talking about Allison’s journal and the questions Allison asked GBC on 18th April.

Fuller, “Was Allsion happy about the birth of the nephew?”

GBC, “Allison went to bed as soon as we got him.”

Fuller, “You didn’t tell the police about the questions Allison asked you on 18th April.”

GBC, “I wasn’t asked.”

Fuller, “That would have been important to tell them.”

GBC, “No, not necessarily.  I was upfront with police about the issues in my marriage.”

Fuller, “You told police Allison had a history of depression and was being managed by medication.  You were asked if you and Allison were estranged.”

GBC, “No”.

 

PORKY PIE!!!!

 

Fuller, “You told police that there was other information but you didn’t want your father to hear, you wanted to talk in private.”

GBC, “Correct”.

Fuller, “You told police the affair had ended in the previous September.”

GBC, “At that point in time I was concerned only for my wife.  At any moment I anticipated that she’d be back”

Fuller, “Why did you call Toni to ask whether she had told the police that you were back together?”

GBC, “In my mind, I did not believe that we had a relationship.”

Fuller, “You were asked about whether anything in the counselling session with Carmel Ritchie would have upset your wife.  You didn’t raise that they’d been through Allison’s list of questions.”

 

A copy of Allison Baden-Clay's journal has been tendered to the Brisbane Supreme Court.

Allison’s journal – court document

Fuller, reading from Allison’s journal, quoting Allison, “I’m really hurt, you had so many opportunities to tell me.  Let me believe it was all my fault.  Forced me to bow to you.  Think that’s where you wanted me.  Were you prepared to live with the guilt if I hadn’t found out.  I was different, laughed, why?”

GBC, “Allison never asked me that question”.

Fuller, said that Allison wrote in her journal, “Laughed at undies, told me I smelled.”

GBC, “I was never asked.”

Fuller, reading from journal, “I couldn’t go back to her even if I wanted to.  Gerard denies that was something he said.”

Fuller asked Gerard about Allison’s 40th birthday.  “Allison and her best friend Kerry-Anne Walker went away for a week.  What did she mean “afterwards so mean?”

GBC, “Umm, I don’t know.  Allison and I recommenced our sexual relationship in February that year and it was very awkward initially.  There were occasions at the beginning where Allison was very self conscious.  She thinks I was laughing at the underwear she was wearing, that’s not true.”

Fuller, “What about saying she smelled?”

GBC, “One time neither of us had a shower, I told her she should have a shower.”

Fuller, “Those questions were asked on 19th April, not 18th April.

GBC, “That’s not true.”

Fuller, “That is what you told the police.”

Fuller, “You said that you were both only gone to Mt Coot-tha for 30 to 45 minutes on the night of 18th April and were happy when you got back.”

 

 

Fuller is asking about the calls Toni made to Gerard on 19th April.

Fuller, “Toni called once, the call lasting seven minutes, again at 5:15pm for ten minutes.  Another call at 5:25pm for 13 minutes.  That is 30 minutes that you spoke.  Toni had just started a new job.  She’d spoken to you about that during the week.  This was going to be a major issue for you, wasn’t it?  Toni being at the conference?

GBC, “No.”

Fuller, “Toni was volatile.  Running into Allison at the gym had caused Allison to have flashbacks.  Toni “lost it” when she found out that she and Allison both would be at the conference.  She yelled at you, she was quite aggressive, but you didn’t think anything would come of that the next day.”

GBC, “She was volatile with me.  I had no concerns about their being issue with Allison.”

Fuller, “Wasn’t Toni capable of confronting Allison?”

GBC, “She wouldn’t have.  Toni had these explosive moments and then she calmed down.  Overnight she would have dealt with it.”

Fuller is referring to the email where GBC gives Toni the 1st July date.

“Leave things to me now, I love you. (then pet names for each other).”

Fuller, “No risk at all, that if they came together, she would have said something to your wife?”

GBC, “Didn’t even enter my mind.”

Fuller, “You agreed earlier that you didn’t want Allison finding out if you were talking to Toni again because it could end your marriage.”

GBC, “I didn’t agree with that earlier, it would be detrimental to our rebuilding.”

Fuller, “No fear at all of those two ladies coming together.  All Toni McHugh had to say is, “here the email your husband sent me, saying he loved me”.  She could have produced the email saying I am going to separate from my wife by 1st July.  Allison had forgiven you once, would she have forgiven you again?”

GBC, “It never crossed my mind as being a risk.”

Fuller, “Toni called you from the conference to say she hadn’t seen Allison.  Next communication was the following day when you rang Toni.”

GBC, “By that time I’d spoken to a lawyer and had been warned police would be speaking to people.  I called Toni to forewarn her and told her to tell the truth.”

Fuller, “Toni McHugh had nothing to do with Allison’s disappearance”.

GBC, “I don’t know, I presume not.  In my mind, I had no relationship with Toni at that point but she might have thought we did.”

Fuller, “When you called Toni on 20th April, you told her you loved her”.

GBC, “That is what she needed to hear.”

Fuller, “You told police this affair with Toni had come to an end to distance yourself from her.”

GBC, “Yes, I expected you to say tat and it’s not true.”

Fuller, “Why did you meet with Toni in Fortitude Valley after Allison disappeared?”

GBC, “I wanted to communicate with her face to face, she’d found out about the other women.” (GBC names the ladies and said that the affairs were meaningless.  “I wanted her to not do anything silly I suppose.  I worried about her.”

Fuller, “You were only worried about yourself.”

Fuller is asking about GBC’s phone.

Fuller, “Where was your phone when you picked it up on the morning of 20th April, 2012?

GBC, “It was plugged into charge on my bedside table.”

Photograph – Gerard and Allison’s bedroom.  The photograph shows a treadmill down the right hand side of the bed.

Police photograph of the Baden-Clays' bedroom.

Court exhibit.  Notice GBC claims his side of the bed is where the feminine photo is,  not where there are those white earphones for talking on the phone that GBC uses, where the charger is.  There are books under the bed that I feel is the feminine side and Allison’s side.

 

Fuller, “Did you make the bed?”

GBC, “Yes”

Fuller, “Did you tidy?”

GBC, “No”.

The photograph shows a narrow gap between the treadmill and the bed.

Fuller, “Your phone was on the treadmill side.”

GBC, “I didn’t put it on the charger.”

Fuller, “What was the state of the bed when you woke up?”

GBC, “I hadn’t thought about it when first asked by police.  It’s hard to say whether Allison’s side looked like it had been slept in.”

Photograph, Court is being shown different angles of the room, Allison’s dresser, and her walk in robe.

Fuller, “Did you see Allison’s pyjamas anywhere when you woke up.”

GBC, “They are not in the photo.”

Edit – slimy answers.

Fuller, “This may have given you an indication if she had gone walking.  You told her mother that Allison slept in the same bed as you?  Were you the one who connected your phone to the charger at 1:48am?”

GBC, “I didn’t”.

Fuller, “I suggest to you that you did in fact  have your phone.”

GBC, “You can suggest away, I did not.  I woke up and checked my phone, checked my emails.”

Fuller, “You’d only owned the Captiva for eight weeks.  Allison hadn’t complained of injuring herself.”

GBC, “I hadn’t noticed any injuries, I hadn’t noticed a chip on Allison’s tooth.”

Fuller, “Where did you normally charge your phone if you handed it every night to your wife?”

GBC, “If we went to bed at the same time, she’d give it to me at night to charge.”

Fuller is asking Gerard about his injuries.

Fuller, “What caused the injury to your hand?”

GBC, “A screwdriver.”

Fuller, “I suggest to you that what happened to your face wasn’t a shaving injury.  It was your wife’s fingernails when she was struggling with you.”

GBC, “That isn’t true.”

Fuller, “It was a significant injury to your face.”

GBC, “It was a couple of cuts to my face and they were visible.

Photograph – scratches on GBC’s face.

Fuller is talking about the plants growing in the garden.  The Crepe Myrtle leaves all over the ground, the Cat’s Claw Creeper.

GBC, “I’m not a botanist.”

Fuller, “You told police that they were “On the bones of their arse.”

GBC, “We weren’t flush wish cash.”

Fuller, “You hadn’t bought luxuries like razor blades for some time. ”

Fuller, “You chose who you wanted to work for you.”

GBC, “Yes.”

Fuller, “You wanted to show the Flight Centre model of setting up lots of stores.”

GBC, “They changed strategy”.

Fuller, “You brought in two partners.”

GBC, “I didn’t want partners initially.”

Fuller is taking GBC through the business, when it was making money, when it wasn’t.

Fuller, “Was buying the Lexus was a sound fiscal decision?”

GBC, “Not it wasn’t.”

Fuller, “Did the business have many assets?”

GBC, “Aside from the furniture and rent roll, nothing”.

Fuller, “Did you liquidate your assets in 2011 to contribute to the business?  Instead your borrowed $90,000.00 from three mates.  They were looking at closing doors in 2011.”

GBC, “My partners were, I wasn’t.  The 2011 floods knocked us around.”

Fuller is arguing with GBC about the partners participation in the business after they left.

GBC, “Jocelyn owned 50% of the rent roll and stayed involved.”

Fuller, “What was she doing?”

GBC, “It wasn’t an active roll.”

Fuller, “Jocelyn had gone to work for someone else.  You didn’t want to be tied to her anymore.”

GBC, “I wouldn’t say that.  I wanted to  have control of the rental business.”

Gerard is being asked about his agreement with his three friends regarding their $90,000.00 loans.

GBC, “There were still to determine the terms in April, 2012, even though I  had already been leant the money.”

Fuller, “This is despite their due diligence and investigation of the business financials before they gave you the money?  Phil and Jocelyn paid $25,000.00 each and in return they received a third share of the sales side, a quarter of the rental side.  In November, 2011, the rent roll agreement was struck.”

GBC, “I had been  having conversations with Century 21 owner Charles Tarbey as well as the banks with regard to the buying out of our rent roll.  At that time I hadn’t been able to borrow from a financial institution.  Charles Tarbey couldn’t lend me money so we altered the contract to vendor funding.”

Fuller, “You had bought out the rent roll for $300,000.00  and had only given yourself three weeks to find the money.  You didn’t have any prospects of raising the money.  You had already borrowed $270,000.00 from your friends.  That is when you turned to Bruce Flegg.”

GBC, “He was one of the people I spoke to.”

Fuller, “You were unable to meet the contract for the rent roll.”

GBC, “There were extensions and then variation.”

Fuller, “You had to pay a 10% deposit and the rest by June, with a discretionary extension to September.  Why didn’t you just set the date for September?  You had to pay interest to the partners, every month that passed was going to cost you more money.”

GBC, “If I missed a payment the business would revert back to its original shareholder.  I could have departed the business relatively unscathed.”

Fuller, “That would have left your friends without the money they’d loaned you.”

Fuller is asking about the conversation, asking to borrow money, between Sue Heath and Dr Bruce Flegg.

GBC, “Dr Flegg wasn’t able to assist then, but he said I could contact him later.”

Fuller, “You took Dr Flegg outside in January, 2o12 to accuse him of telling people that your business was in trouble.”

GBC, “Dr Flegg was shocked I would suggest such a thing.”

Fuller, “You had told Flegg that you didn’t want any more equity partners”.

GBC, “I wanted to maintain the profitability.”

GBC is giving a different account of the phone call to Sue Heath.

“GBC, “Sue told me Flegg didn’t have the money to lend and I  know full well that he did.  I cried when Sue asked me how I am, I was touched.”

Fuller, “The June deadline for the rent roll was approaching.”

GBC, “It was always about the end of September.”

Fuller, “Did you tell Toni McHugh that you were considering selling the business? Wasn’t that on the 19th?  That was a fairly dramatic step, wasn’t it?

GBC, “I was trying to placate Toni, trying to calm her down.”

Fuller, “She wanted to meet you, didn’t she?”

GBC, “Yes she did.  I wanted to placate Toni by saying that I would sell the business while saying that I couldn’t meet with her.  I wouldn’t have indicated to Toni that I was going to go bankrupt.”

Fuller, “Have you been to Kholo Creek?”

GBC, “I have driven over it.  If you’d asked me where Kholo Creek bridge was before April, I wouldn’t have been able too tell you. I didn’t know exactly where the scout camp was.”

Fuller is asking again about the morning Allison disappeared.

Fuller, “It had gone past the point of her falling over somewhere by the time police arrived.”

GBC, “Allison’s falling over, and being knocked unconscious, was foremost in my mind.”

Fuller, “One possibility is that she might have taken off.”

GBC, “I was asked questions about that.”

Fuller, “There would not have been anything suspicious in those questions.  One possibility would have been that she was abducted on her walk.”

GBC, “There were innumerable possibilities.”

Fuller, “You told the police about the affair, that you had spoken about it the previous evening but there was not a fight.  There were some questions about your face.  You volunteered to some officers what  had happened.”

GBC, “I said to the police, “Why aren’t we out looking for Allison?'”.

Fuller, “The furtherest thing on your mind was that Allison had committed suicide.”

GBC, “I was not at the forefront of my mind.”

 

Adjourned until 10:00am tomorrow.

 

 


FULL TRANSCRIPTION OF GBC’S BLOG:

 

Mr Mum!

27.11.08 The past week I have been trying to do my best impersonation of my dear wife – and struggling!

Allison turned the big “four-o” earlier this year and to mark the occasion she and her best friend have taken a week off at the Golden Door health spa.

Whilst she has been enjoying the rest and quietude, I have been trying to manage the house and transport my three girls to all of their activities – and I am knackered!

It’s a bit of a cliché that most men have no idea how hard it is to run a household, and I thought that I was pretty in tune with the day-to-day routine, but I can honestly say that this week has given me a real insight into the challenges of managing a family. Waking up, getting dressed, having breakfast, making lunches, getting to school, collecting from school, bath, cook dinner, eat dinner, homework, teeth, bed! And that doesn’t include any extracurricular activities like ballet, swimming and music! And, I haven’t done any vacuuming, dusting, cleaning or a single load of washing!

In amongst all of this “domestic duty”, I’ve also been trying to squeeze in some work and assistance with running this business – look out for the two new properties coming to the market this week and the successful sales from last weekend too!

Despite these challenges (and the associated exhaustion!), I have enjoyed some wonderful times with my children both individually and collectively. Whether it be a few minutes playing in the park, a snatched moment whilst getting them ready for bed, or just the simple pleasure of talking about life whilst driving to and from school, kindy and a host of other activities!

The startling revelation personally, has been the realisation that I am NOT superman after all!

Yes, I think that I have managed (alright, “coped” is probably more accurate!) rather well this week (and I have only put the TV on once for “assistance”!), but it would be remiss of me not to mention the terrific support of my sister and friends who have been able to look after Ella (aged 2) during the day so that I can still work during school hours.

So, what’s the upshot of this week? Well, I certainly have a renewed respect for all of the hard work that goes into being a “homemaker”, and the pleasure of being able to spend some more quality time with my three beautiful girls. I’ll certainly be more understanding in the future when I come home from work and find that dinner isn’t on the table with my foot spa pre-warmed! Until next week…. Gerard Baden-Clay

 

 

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81 thoughts on “Gerard Baden-Clay Murder Trial – Day 13 – 1st July, 2014

  1. Very sad to think that 1st July is Allison’s birthday. My heart goes out to the Dickie family, that on her birthday they are sitting in the Supreme Court at the trial of someone who might have murdered her.

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  2. Allison’s birthday – wonder if that will be mentioned by GBC? (Opportunity for eyes welling up, sniffles, sobs, gut wrenching tears, wiping of eyes, blowing of nose, request for an adjournment due to overwhelming emotion).

    Day 13 – unlucky for some.

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  3. Hi guys, I have just returned form a 10 day break in a beautiful place away from all electronic media, which was lovely and relaxing, but I now have considerable catching up to do. I had a quick browse through the latest posts, it seems golden boy has showed himself to be every bit the creep he was expected to be. Sounds like he has been given a lot of rope until now, perhaps July 1 will be an appropriate day for the prosecution to start laying into him and exposing all the lies and contradictions he has been spouting for hours on end.

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  4. Welcome back, RIP, we missed you.

    Today will be interesting. I dreamt last night (OMG, this is bad) that I was pulling apart his testimony.

    One thing that stuck out to me, while typing, is that GBC’s testimony is extremely similar to what his lawyer said he would be saying.

    Practiced much? lol nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    Now I have to remember the other thing that was bothering me…

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  5. Thank you to GerbilHuntingSeason,who quoted:

    “A fitting tribute to a man who asked his daughter to patch up his shaving cuts, don’t you think?”

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  6. You dance no more for us, left behind;

    Heaven’s now your stage

    Empty shoes and empty hearts

    Page after empty page

    Oh my friend, your wicked laugh

    Echoes in empty ears

    The pain and grief, so raw and fierce

    Familiar, bitter tears

    You are so missed – and yet

    We feel you still, the thought of that sustains

    Strengthens us and keeps our faith

    Dancing through the pain

    On your birthday

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  7. Welcome Back RIP …. let me assure you Allison’s birthday will be GBC’s highlight , grab the tissues out as he’ll milk it for all it’s worth .The scumbag yesterday branded his daughters as liars , he has no morals at all . You’ll catch on as you read posts and quotes that have been listed here , he is the lowest of the low that i have EVER come across.
    And today his inlaws will sit dignified yet terribly sad while he will use the day to self glorify .
    I wish i had a majic wand and could bring Allison and her girls together for one more time.
    We have caught him out on many lies and hope the prosecution has also , in my opinion he’s already sunk himself but i’d love to see him fall on his sword where even an appeal would fail. Today i hope will be ‘Allison’s Day ‘

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    • Thanks Mike! You are right – he is a monster, I agree – has no ethics or morals. And does not seem to be able to recognise TRUTH if he tripped over it. Not part of his world. Wonder who instilled this warped value system in him? And his family wants him to get off with this crime??? Grrrr…

      I did scan through posts but missed him branding his daughters as liars – how awful! His capacity to lie and deceive appears to know absolutely no bounds.

      Having just read through Moonlight’s summary I think your wish was granted, and he is hovering over his sword – looks like fuller exposed numerous more lies. He really can not remember form one moment to the next whom he told what when. His whole life is a lie. Nothing about it is real.

      But he went too far when he robbed the one person who loved him enough to excuse all these awful character flaws, of her precious life, and in doing so robbed 3 little girls of their precious mother, and a set of wonderful parents of their daughter. He sucked the life out of Allison, first emotionally and then took her physical life too. It is too awful to contemplate.

      Yet he can stand there and tell lie upon lie to save his a$@# and rake in Allison’s life insurance which his father so cleverly helped him organise, using the very out-dated 15 year old will which he managed to produce as her ‘last’. yea right!

      Gerard you do not deserve to be free after the evil you have perpetrated. Muster what courage and self-respect you can and stop the charade – start telling the TRUTH. If you can’t do that and man up to your dirty deeds, then I hope you will have at least 3 life sentences to ponder where you went wrong….one for each innocent little motherless child left in your wake.

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  8. 19th April, 2012, the day Allison was murdered.

    “Next call at 5.01pm is from Baden-Clay Real Estate to my phone, it is the office phone being diverted. Two calls from Toni, it was a conversation where I told her that she would be going to the same conference as Allison.”

    WAIT – Didn’t GBC say the last time he spoke with Toni was January/February? Or is that “physical contact”?

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  9. GBC really doesn’t care what pain that he puts Allison through:

    ” Two calls from Toni, it was a conversation where I told her that she would be going to the same conference as Allison. Toni was not happy that she and Allison would be together the next day. I had no concerns about it. There’d be hundreds of people there and Allison was not the confrontational type.”

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  10. THe first lie for today ….. GBC states Allison was non confrontational , yesterday he testified that Allison demanded he hand over his phone when at home so she could check it ouy and vet calls …. liars need good memory’s Dickhead !

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  11. My bet GBC did tell Allison, at Toni’s insistence, remember GBC kept insisting he agreed to everything she said to keep her happy. Why would this suddenly be different?

    Reason, he is trying to take away “motive”.

    GBC, “Next two called were from Toni, they were discussing the conference again. Toni was upset about it. She didn’t want to see Allison, she asked me to tell Allison, I never agreed to, and certainly never did tell her that Toni would be there the next day.”

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  12. I’m noticing GBC explains in full calls from clients but calls to n from the BC family are simply “he called” “she called” with no explanation of the content

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  13. GBC stated he awoke @ 6.30am , spoke to bro in Canada .. 6.32 he called ABC … 6.38 called ABC … 6.45 called ABC again , then called NBC … followed by a call to Indooropilly cop shop … he then called his sister as she drove .. followed by a call to NBC who was ‘just leaving’ … 7.02 calling Allison again … can someone tell me when he had the time to shave , cut himself and shower ?? Absolutely impossible … if he wasnt sinking , he has now … cya Gerard , your gone !!

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    • Did he mention during all the supposed turmoil with his wife ‘missing’, he still had time to fit in googling ‘pleading the fifth” quickly too before phoning the police? Just an aside issue I seem to remember from long ago – something his mother was interested in, was it? What new explanation for this very telling behaviour has been invented, I wonder?

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    • If the crown cant show he;s lying , they will not be doing their job .. as all this is directly from his own mouth , dont forget during this time frame he also made lunches , dressed , had his daughter attend to his ‘shaving cuts’ .. a failure to convict would now be a travesty of justice as he’s the one telling us this ….

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      • He had lots of time to do everything, since he never slept that night – was a very busy boy…perhaps he and one or more of these family members who so much want him to get off with Allison’s murder.

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        • Do they believe him I wonder or do they not care about what happened? If they don’t believe him but are just sticking by him, then how do they rationalise this to stop themselves going crazy?

          Are they all delusional? Is this just a bump on the highway of life for them – just as soon as all this nasty trial business is out of the way, business as normal can resume? That is how Gerard behaves – like he thinks he’s going to walk out of there and back into real estate.

          I know … not really wanting an answer but just having to say it out loud.

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          • You have a very good point, melbomartin. This is how the BC’s conduct their life.

            Another example is that NBC has deer scull heads proudly on display at the front of their house, yet it called himself a Conservationalist.

            Which is it?

            The answer is, whatever gets them on another rung of their social climbing ladder, then business as usual. They don’t care, as we know, all is about ego and how they HAVE to appear, which is better than other people, in their opinion, how they can fool people to believe their lies, what they can get away with, always, what they can get away with.

            Borrowing money from friends – tick
            Not paying friends back (lowest of the low) – tick
            Olivia asking for more money from friends to raise bale for GBC before he was committed to jail – tick
            GBC lying to his wife and girlfriends to get whatever he wants – tick
            GBC using his daughter for his alibi – tick
            Allegedly murdering his wife to have it all, the most important, his ego, his business – tick

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        • Sorry Mike, my post at 1.40 was referring to your comment re him being led into condemning himself with his own words.

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  14. Thanks Mike. Surely GBC’s lawyer saw the problem with time line?

    All they could do is go with it and try and talk around it?

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  15. I have to go fr an hour or so ,but am going to time myself having a rushed shower and shave and time it , btw i shave in the shower and wont need to tend to any cuts , i’ll be back asap with times etc , this is something the prosecution should have done . Remember i’m going to make this as quick as i can ..

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  16. Allison isn’t a “hopeless driver” as inferred by GBC:

    GBC, “Allison had reversed parked the Captiva into the carport on 19th April, 2012.”

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  17. Go Crown, I am happy, so happy, I feel goodddddddddd

    GBC, “I said those things to maintain the sexual relationship.”

    Fuller, “In April, when you emailed that you love her, Toni was no longer in the business. You were no longer having sex.”

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  18. Fuller, “The only professional help Allison had overseas was to visit an outpatient doctor. They sought no professional help until Allison’s second pregnancy with their daughter. By 2012, depression issues were in the distant past.”

    GBC, “No”.

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  19. Fuller is doing a WONDERFUL JOB of cross examination:

    Fuller, “You said that you will be out of your marriage by 1st July, which is a matter of weeks before Allison’s disappearance.”

    GBC, “As it transpires, yes”.

    Fuller, “Toni told you if you wanted to be with your wife, fine, but tell her one way or the other.”

    GBC, “I don’t remember that. I remember telling Toni that I needed to end the physical contact.”

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  20. BACK …. Ok the shower shave etc was completed , one may argue that every human has a different shower routine so times may vary , one may also argue the shave times ,G has an ‘open go ‘ shave , i shave around my rather large horse shoe or zappato style moustache but have been doing that since i was around 16 – 17 yrs of age .

    My timing did not include teeth cleaning as i do that generally upon rising and yes i do have my own teeth (they’re definitely mine as i paid cash for them )

    No morning toilet time was included nor was a cuppa or any brekkie , i’d imagine he , during this time frame would have had to assist his daughters with their brekkie , hair etc ..

    ok , G’s time frame was as he testified from approx 6.30 am – 7.02 am , thats 32 mins .. less my timed shower period of 12 minutes … leaving him 20 minutes to make , recieve , explain to each , take an o/s phone call , give directions thats 10 phone calls and the time to assist his children ….

    Sorry Gerry but that is no where near the time you needed , YOUR phone records prove beyond any reasonable doubt that on this point ….. YOU LIED.

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  21. GOT GBC WELL AND TRULY, GOT HIM, GOT HIM GOT HIM!!!

    Fuller, “You told Dr George that you were under severe financial pressure and you were frustrated that Allison bought a treadmill.”

    GBC, “Interestingly, financially, things turned around after that. I didn’t mention the affair, I didn’t want to put pressure on Allison to have sex with me. Allison had put on weight and had low self esteem. I didn’t want to pressure it. It sounds pathetic.”

    Fuller, “Do you remember what happened on Allison’s 40th birthday in 2008? Did you write about it? You wrote a blog at times? What about the November, 2008 entry?

    GBC, “I don’t remember. I wrote one about my favourite day of t he year.”

    Fuller, “Unless it was your wife’s birthday?”.

    Fuller is reading the blog aloud, talking about Gerard taking over wife duties when Allison was away.

    Mr Todd Fuller turned his attention to a blog written by GBC about his wife’s 40th birthday when Allison visited a health spa for a week.

    Mr Fuller read from the blog, “The past week I have been trying to do my best impersonation of my dear wife, and struggling.”

    The court has previously heard GBC claim his wife left most of the household duties to him due to her battle with depression.

    He told the court that Allison would go to bed, as soon as he arrived home from work, leaving the tasks of making dinner and putting the children to bed to him.

    GBC’s defence barrister Michael Byrne QC raised a matter with Justice John Byrne.

    The jury was excused from the courtroom.

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  22. Could it be that GBC is going to change his plea to GUILTY … it’s so bleeding obvious he had reason , opportunity and motive , there must be some good in the man , somewhere deep within , possibly he’ll admit his guilt for the sake and closure for his daughters. I certainly hope so ….

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    • Or is the defence calling for a mistrial due to a point of law …. court has resumed but no jury which means no reports until they are back

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      • Perhaps they didn’t like Fuller’s surprise, reading out GBC’s blog, where he said that he didn’t help in the home and when he did when Allison was away at a spa for her 40th birthday, he found it a huge challenge. It was a surprise.

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        • Well it is real, written by Mr bigmouth himself, before he had an incentive to lie about this particular topic. He lies so much to cover his a@%$ about just about everything that it is very valuable to find one snippet of TRUTH that actually came from his head. Caught out yet another time!!

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  23. GERARD BADEN-CLAY
    Gender Male
    Industry Real Estate
    Occupation Principal
    Location Kenmore, Brisbane’s Western Suburbs, Australia

    Introduction

    Gerard Baden-Clay operates at the forefront of long-overdue change in the business of real estate. Embracing superior standards of training and recruitment, he is driving a growing team of local experts motivated by the goal of “win-win” results for buyers and sellers.

    Spitting of your coffee warning: (Do NOT drink when reading this) lol

    Gerard’s personal philosophies of ethical excellence and team loyalty, derived from his lineage as the great-grandson of international Scouts founder Baden Powell, have found their perfect landing spot in the field of real estate.

    Gerard’s commitment to the local community is genuine and entrenched. In addition to his own family – wife Allison and three young daughters – much of the extended Baden-Clay family also lives within the 4069 postcode.

    Gerard is a keen supporter of the local Scouts and Guides chapter, contributes to the provision of a chaplaincy service at Kenmore State High School and for the third year has been reinstated as President of the Kenmore Chamber of Commerce, an organisation to which he devotes considerable time and resources in boosting membership and service levels.

    Interests Spending as much time as possible with my family, camping, travelling, Scouting
    (Humping any woman whom he can).

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    • Arggg…makes one want to vomit! What BS!

      Interesting that he lists SCOUTING as one of his interests, yet I seem to remember reading today he said he had no idea where the Kholo bridge was and had not been to the Scouting ground. Again, what BS!! I do not believe this for a millisecond!

      I lived in nearby Karana Downs for 2 months many years ago, and even I know where Kholo bridge was, and knew of the scouting ground, although I have zero scouting interest.

      Actually after Allison went missing I actually wondered about the large areas along Moggill Rd which I knew from travelling to and from Karana Downs which are quite ‘remote’ and devoid of pedestrian traffic and would be the sort of place a body could be placed that would make it difficult to find. It blew my mind when that is exactly where her body was found eventually.

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  24. So much to hide, the selective memory of GBC is really irking me:

    GBC, “Allison never asked me that question”.

    Fuller, said that Allison wrote in her journal, “Laughed at undies, told me I smelled.”

    GBC, “I was never asked.”

    Fuller, reading from journal, “I couldn’t go back to her even if I wanted to. Gerard denies that was something he said.”

    Fuller asked Gerard about Allison’s 40th birthday. “Allison and her best friend Kerry-Anne Walker went away for a week. What did she mean “afterwards so mean?”

    GBC, “Umm, I don’t know”.

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    • The fact that GBC wasn’t asked or doesn’t remember holds no water. These are Allison’s words, in her writing, in her journal. He can deny them all he likes but these are Allison’s words from the grave.

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  25. Any idea why Danny Boyle is not prosecuting , I did read he was ‘the man ‘ in QLD … Todd Fuller is not re asking questions that GBC avoids , needs to be harder at him

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  26. Smooth answers GBC –

    She could have produced the email saying I am going to separate from my wife by 1st July. Allison had forgiven you once, would she have forgiven you again?”

    GBC, “It never crossed my mind as being a risk.”

    Fuller, “Toni called you from the conference to say she hadn’t seen Allison. Next communication was the following day when you rang Toni.”

    GBC, “By that time I’d spoken to a lawyer and had been warned police would be speaking to people. I called Toni to forewarn her and told her to tell the truth.”

    Fuller, “Toni McHugh had nothing to do with Allison’s disappearance”.

    GBC, “I don’t know, I presume not.”

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  27. GBC can’t claim, being in this area, that he didn’t know where the scout’s camp is. Being a real estate agent he didn’t know where the scout camp is.
    Being a member of the Chamber of Commerce, he wouldn’t have known anyone in scouts.

    Refer to his blog, he talks about his heritage to Baden Powell but he doesn’t know the major scout camp in Brisbane?

    Come on.

    Fuller, “Have you been to Kholo Creek?”

    GBC, “I have driven over it. If you’d asked me where Kholo Creek bridge was before April, I wouldn’t have been able too tell you. I didn’t know exactly where the scout camp was.”

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  28. A comment of mine is lost somewhere … Back tomorrow for more Gerrylies … i must add i feel Mr Fuller has again been way too soft , not once has he asked Gerard to answer a question that he has given a non answer to …. Gerard would have done ok as an MP , he’s a spin expert … where the hell is Mr Boyle ??
    Please someone at the court remind the Prosecutors to do their job or he will walk …. under pressure he falters so please apply the bloody pressure.

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    • Grrrrrrrrrrr alright, no rhyme or reason. Last night, the site’s language changed to Turkish (so Google translate told me). That was a shock, lol

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  29. BADEN-CLAY LIAR:

    The Suspect’s girlfriend Toni McHugh was set to confront his wife Allison Baden-Clay face to face, on the day she was arguably murdered- 29 April 2012. This meeting was to take place at a conference that the trio were attending , according to the evidence. Gerard Baden-Clay had no control over this forthcoming confrontation whereby in all likelihood Toni would spill the beans finally, to Allison that the affair had not stopped after all and she would immediately realize that she had yet again been betrayed by her compulsive lying husband. Would she therefore seek a divorce resulting in asset splitting at a time when he was deeply in debt and about to lose his business?

    Then finally there was this following lie. GBC stated firmly under oath that the last time he spoke to his wife and saw her for the final time; she was in PYJAMAS !

    How is it then, that during his initial police interview he stated the following:

    Police Officer to GBC, “Thank you for being so helpful. We are trying to formulate a plan to search for her. It is difficult, we don’t really have a defined starting time. What was Allison wearing?”

    GBC, “Grey pants, it has been cool in the mornings.”

    My Analysis:
    REALLY! But you didn’t see Allison in the morning now did you! At least that is what you have stated under OATH. She was in Pyjamas the night before according to you…and that was the last time you saw each other until her death…..so how come the last time you saw her she was wearing GREY PANTS! ..according to your very own Police Statement …and what happened to the PYJAMAS? which Allison wore because it has been cool in the mornings? Oh but Hang ON ….. you didn’t see her in the morning you say ………according to your testimony , and under oath. Compulsive liar you may be…however you has fallen in a hole here and if the JURY is on the ball; the Prosecution; the Judge and the Press, this will be one very deep hole that you won’t be able to lie your way out of this time around .

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    • Welcome Alexandria 😀

      Lovely to see you.

      Thank you for your thoughts, you are right on the mark.

      We should try a lie count.

      Looking forward to more of your posts.

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      • So true Alexandrina, and when he was questioned on the stand, viewing an image of their bedroom, all he could state was “I can’t see the pyjamas in that photograph” (or something similar). What a consummate liar the Crown has proven him to be in so many respects. A very deep hole for him to dig himself out of.

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        • Yes and I think Moonlight said he tried to say the feminine side of the bed (feminine stuff on the bedside table and books under the bedside table – likely including Allison’s journal!) was his – he just lies lies lies…no idea even when to stop!

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  30. Looks like it has sorted itself or Moonlight has … i cannot fathom why the crown is simply going through the motions … “did you kill Aliison ?” … GBC ” No ” ,,, “argh you didnt , so did you have a nice lunch ” .. i know i’m being sarcastic … but this is a bit like looking at comments from an NRL state of origin game where each side thinks the Ref has taken a bribe .

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  31. I respectfully disagree Mike. Up until today I think the prosecution have been feeble. Whether it was a strategy or not (and it was a big gamble if that’s the way it happened), the prosecution have lured GBC onto the stand. BIG mistake from his point of view, very few on trial for murder take the stand in their own defense.

    I have no doubt this was GBC’s idea – “I can convince them (after a life-time of manipulation and lying to get where I am – and I have a double-barrelled surname, don’t you know!)” But he’s cowering under Todd Fuller’s cross-examination – Justice Byrne had to request the accused to speak up after his verbose offerings over the past so many days. Fuller is switching things left right and centre, changing the line of questioning constantly and GBC is having a real problem keeping up with his lies under the barrage of the attack.

    No longer the calm self-assured persona on centre stage, going into the minutiae of his memory banks is he? No, there are many “I don’t remember”s, umming and ahhing, just like I thought he would. The game’s far from over yet, no defense barrister to protect you now Gerard!

    He dug himself into a hole when he first took the stand. The truth will out, he won’t confess to anything, but he has shown himself to be a deceitful, self-serving individual, using and lying to people (his wife Allison, TMcH, business partners, you name it) to ‘get himself out of a situation’ (any situation, including murder). I think Fuller is right onto the narcissistic streak in him and playing to his weaknesses – no doubt barristers see that often in their line of work. You’re not that special Gerard.

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    • For the life of me, I couldn’t work out Fuller’s lines of questioning.

      Just when you thought he had GBC “on the ropes,” he’d change tack completely and move onto something totally unrelated to the previous question.

      Guess that’s part of a well-planned strategy.

      Having said that, it appears he has been like an annoying little terrier (with a touch of rottweiler) for most of the day.

      And likely to keep up his attack dog mode tomorrow.

      Methinks the plan is to keep the jury on their toes, wear Gerb down, keep him second guessing where the next grenade is going to lob.

      Then Oh Danny Boyle will come in as “the nice guy” for the closing argument. Unsullied by aggressive behaviour during cross examination, a perfectly reasonable and utterly believable bloke, a relative “bystander” whose only job is to share his observations with the jury. Like a trustworthy friend who has endured the same scenario and emotions they have had the misfortune to experience over the preceding weeks.

      Or is my imagination getting away from me?

      I reckon those jurors must be absolutely exhausted.

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      • I think you are right GHS…I like the terrier with a touch of Rottweiler image! I think they have given the monster a lot of rope, it’s now time to reel him in. I suspect we will be seeing increasingly less terrier and more Rottweiler in coming days. I am holding onto my seat!

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  32. Hello All, I’ve been reading this forum in several forms for years and I always find it heartening, erudite and genuine. Tonight I’m posting because I have a question for all my comrades in justice.

    “Fuller, “This may have given you an indication if she had gone walking. You told her mother that Allison slept in the same bed as you? Were you the one who connected your phone to the charger at 1:48am?”

    GBC, “I didn’t”.

    Fuller, “I suggest to you that you did in fact have your phone.”

    GBC, “You can suggest away, I did not. I woke up and checked my phone, checked my emails.”

    Is this Gerard admitting that he woke up and checked his phone at 1:48am?
    If so, what woke him, what did he find, and did he not twig at 1:48am whether his wife was asleep or awake beside him, if she was there at all?
    Gerbil has repeatedly claimed he didn’t know whether Allison had come to bed…..just assumed that she had.
    Why wouldn’t a Prosecutor jump on that?
    All this time he has insisted he didn’t put the phone on the charger, by the bed, where he usually sleeps with his wife, and though he woke for no apparent reason and had the semblance of mind to check his emails (who from?) etc He didn’t notice his wife in her pyjamas (like he saw her in front of the telly watching the footy show) next to him…….

    Fuller asks Gerard whether he was the one who connected his phone to the charger at 1.48am. He says he didn’t. #badenclay

    Dear Me, I hope Fuller brings this up later. Gerbil has given away/backed-down on a vital and incriminating event. What a dumb so and so. Do they have phone chargers in prison?

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