Gerard Baden-Clay Murder Trial – Day 14 – 2nd July, 2014

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Day 14

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OUR REPORTS ARE IN DETAIL, UPDATED AS IT HAPPENS, FROM OTHER DIRECT SOURCES

Wednesday, 2nd July, 2014.

CROSS EXAMINATION  OF GERARD BADEN-CLAY TODAY

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“I just wanted sex” – Gerard Baden-Clay

“I didn’t love my mistress” – Gerard Baden-Clay

 Allison Baden-Clay, Gerard Baden-Clay and Toni McHugh

 

 

GBC is in the witness box, waiting for the jury.

A short delay for legal discussion.  Jury is entering court.

 

GBC is being asked about contact between Allison and Toni and if Allison had his phone each night (The Crown is trying to rattle….yeah).

 

Fuller, “It was not an option for Toni to not go to the real estate conference on the 20th.  You didn’t tell police you had spoken to Toni the afternoon before you reported Allison missing.”

GBC “It didn’t enter my mind to tell police about my conversations with Toni, I just wanted to find Allison.”

Fuller, “You had set rules with Toni to make sure Allison didn’t know you were communicating.  At no stage after you dealt with police on the morning of the 20th did you disclose to your family about Toni McHugh.”

GBC, “I told my family after someone in the media said that they were running a story on my affair.  I told police about the affair, I didn’t anticipate they would tell the media, but they did.  I can’t remember if I spoke to police after they’d spoken to Toni.  I answered every question the police asked.”

Fuller, “You refused to give them a statement.”

GBC, “I answered that question.  They asked me to provide a statement, my answer was n.”  I believe I spoke to homicide.  I didn’t know what CIB meant, I didn’t know what a crime scene was.”

Edit – GBC is answering the same today as he did yesterday.  Please, he doesn’t know what a “crime scene” is?  That WILL HAVE to go against him.

GBC, “I was thankful to police who were dealing with the investigation, they seriously committed resources to it.  Police probably kept in contact every day and were at first very responsive.”

Fuller, “I suggest that police were in contact with you every day.”

GBC, “Once a day wasn’t enough, I was desperate for information from the police.”

Edit – and yes we know why……

GBC, “There wasn’t anything to stop me from talking to the police, other than the advice of my lawyer.  I met with my lawyer on that first night.”

Fuller, “Your first call to Allison was at 6.32am on the morning she went missing.  Your first call to your parents’ address was at 6:44am.  Concerned enough to call your parents?”

GBC, “That is correct.”

Fuller, “Which of Allison’s friends did you call at that time of the morning?”

GBC, “None.  Her best friend lived beyond walking distance, it was a possibility she had walked to my parents at Kenmore.”

Edit – rubbish, another furphy – they are too far away, much too far away for a walk, especially for someone who walks 1/2 kilometre up the road on a flat surface, then turns around again.  What rubbish!

 

Fuller, “Why did you take the Captiva instead of your own Prado, which was in the way and parked in an easier spot?”

GBC, “The Prado is a bigger car, and had been in an accident.

 

 

Edit – so his wife is missing, and the above ding stopped him rushing into the easiest car, to get her in case she had fallen and hurt herself.  Really?

Fuller, “There wasn’t significant damage to the Prado, you’d been driving it since the incident.  I suggest that the Captiva had been reversed in when you took it.”

GBC, “That isn’t true.  I first noticed the toys in the back of the Captiva on Friday morning when I took it to look for Allison.”

PHOTOGRAPH – Prado with panel damage, it is part blocking the driveway.

GBC agrees tha there was nothing stopping him from driving the Prado.

Fuller, “Did you  place the toys in the back of the Prado to make it look normal?”

GBC, “They would be unusual items to put in there to look normal.”

Edit – surely he is irritating the jury?

Fuller, “Why didn’t you call Allison’s parents when she went missing?”

GBC, “I called them later on, I thought she’d gone for a walk.”

Fuller, “You didn’t call them at 9.30am.”

GBC, “Yes, after I had been interrogated by the police for a couple of hours.”

Fuller, “You called your own friends first before calling Allison’s friends.”

GBC agreed that he was not prevented from making any calls when he was speaking with police that morning.

Fuller, “You took work calls that morning while speaking to police.  As the morning progressed you became more concerned about the nature of the police questions.”

GBC, “No. My father and sister became concerned about the questions, but I wasn’t.”

Fuller, “Why didn’t you let her parents know as the questioning continued?”

GBC, “I didn’t that is when I phoned them.”

Fuller, “Did you think to call Toni to see if she had contacted Allison?”

GBC, “I didn’t even think about it.  That morning seemed to travel very quickly.”

Fuller, “Police were called at 7.15am.  Police arrived at 8.00am, Allision was more than an hour overdue.”

GBC, “I can’t remember what time Allison was supposed to leave for work, it was 7:00 or 7:30am.”

Fuller, “For Allisoon to not have come home, was significant.  She was normally very punctual.  Police had been at the house for an hour and a half before you called Allison’s parents.  Why did you ring your friends ahead of her friends?”

GBC, “I honestly can’t remember the thought process.  I called the Christs because the children were having a sleepover.  I wanted them to know she was missing.”

Edit, the above doesn’t sit with me as true.

Fuller, “You had no anticipation that she wasn’t coming home, did you?”

GBC, “If she was found and was in hospital, I needed to let them know.”

Fuller, “So you were planning ahead?”

GBC, “I rang the Cheesmans as I was supposed to go around the prepare for their open house that day.”

Fuller, “So that was about managing the business?”

GBC, “I was concerned about Allison, but had to manage a business too.”

Fuller, “Why did you phone the Crannas?”

GBC, “I don’t know, possibly because he was close by.”

Edit – GBC wanted an audience to full sorry with him.

Fuller is asking about the couple’s insurance and superannuation policies as there were discussions on reducing them.

Fuller is asking GBC about phoning Allison’s life insurance on 1st May, the day she was found.

Fuller, “How did you find out a body had been found?”

GBC, “I was at the office and a media report came through.  I called my lawyer when I heard, we met in the city and police came to my barrister’s office.   Police confirmed to me that the body was Allison’s.”

Fuller, “You are confident that police confirmed it was Allison?  Didn’t they tell you that it possibly was Allison or likely Allison?”

GBC, “I was told definitely”.

Fuller, “When you visited the doctor for your scratches, why didn’t you show her the rest of the injuries?”

GBC, “Maybe the second doctor asked me if I had any other concerns.”

Edit – He doesn’t answer anything directly, what a sleaze.

Fuller, “The first photos police took were of just your face.  Why didn’t you tell the police about the scratches on your chest?”

GBC, “They were self inflicted, it just didn’t seem relevant.”

Fuller, “You went to a second doctor that afternoon and showed her the injuries on your chest, as the direction of the lawyer.”

GBC, “I did give my business card to the first doctor I visited to help her find a new house.”

Fuller is asking GBC about the money he owed and the interest he had to pay.

Fuller, “Allison had taken the role of someone you had been paying $100,000.00.”

GBC, “I was not paying Allison a salary.”

Fuller, “A separation with Allison would have had a significant financial impact on you and the business.”

GBC, “Yes.  You are asking a lot of hypothetical questions, I have not ever thought about in detail.”

Fuller, “You had told Toni you would separate.”

GBC, “Yes and I told you that was a lie.”

Edit – one lie many lies – that is a liar!

Fuller, “As of 19th April, you were indeed under a number of pressures.

Fuller, “You were under pressures from your wife?”

GBC, “How do you mean?  I want to clarify with regard to the conditions that Allison had placed on me.  The tracking app was my idea”.

Fuller, “You know how to turn the tracking app off.”

GBC, “Both Allison and I knew how to turn it off.  Allison went through a period of nine years with hardly an intimacy.  There were a number of people he went to for sex and we’ve talked about some of them.  I spoke to Allison about Toni, but not about any of the other women I had a relationship with.”

Fuller, “That is what the start of 2012 was all about – You and Toni organising to be together.”

GBC, “That is not true.  We wanted to put the past behind us, with regard to counselling.”

(Rattling chains :D)

Fuller, “You wanted to put the past behind you.  You were living a double life, weren’t you?”

GBC, “No, I did not believe I was living a double life at that stage.”

Fuller, “The facade that was Gerard Baden-Clay would fall if Toni McHugh had confronted Allison at the conference.  If Allison had found out that you had been seeing, and emailing Toni, you would be exposed.”

GBC, “Sorry is there a question there?”

Edit – what a &^%O

 Fuller, “You had sought Allison’s forgiveness, made promises to her, and then gone and done it again with the same woman. You had attended counselling, made promises, but your behaviour hadn’t changed at all.

GBC, “I had.”

Fuller, “Your business was failing, all things were coming together.  You killed your wife Mr Baden-Clay.”

GBC, “No I did not.”

Fuller, “You killed her, probably smothered her and she lashed out with her fingernails.  She grabbed your clothing, that is why you had the injury under your left shoulder.  You overpowered her very quickly, didn’t you?”

GBC, “I never overpowered her”.

Fuller, “Did her jumper come up as you struggled or when you dumped her in the creek?”

GBC, “Your suppositions are absurd.  I can’t answer them.

Fuller, “You put her body in the garden, in the leaves, you put her in the car.”

GBC, “I had nothing to do with anything”.

Fuller, “You dumped her body unceremoniously.”

GBC, “The suggestion I would leave my children alone for any time in the middle of the night is absurd, little alone to do the dastardly things you are suggesting.”

Fuller, “You loaded the toys in the back of the car, then cut yourself with a shaver at the bottom edges of the scratches.  You let police search the house because you knew there would be nothing they’d find.  You put on the facade of a worried husband then called a lawyer.”

Fuller, “Are you certain that you never told Allison she was going to run into Toni the next day?  Despite the flashbacks Allison had from seeing Toni?”

CROSS EXAMINATION  HAS FINISHED.  BYRNE QC TALKS TO GBC.

GBC, “I was never violent with my wife.”

 

TIME FOR PRACTISED SPINNING:

 

GBC, “I had only been in an altercation twice.  Once as a ten year old standing up for a friend.  The second time was defending another friend from a bully when I was 12.  I hadn’t ever thrown a punch.  Allison and I argued like any couple but never raised voices.  Allison and I didn’t ever argue in front of the children.

PHOTOGRAPH – Floor plan of house.

GBC is discussing how sound travels.  If the girls made a sound, we could  hear it clearly through the house. GBC is talking about the age of the house and the building materials used.  One of the girls got up the night of 19th April after they had put them to bed.  Allison was on the couch. I did not hear any noises that night.

Byrne, “Please clarify what you meant when you admitted that you had deceived Allison for four years.”

GBC, “I deceived her and my family and friends by not telling them about my infidelities.  Deception is a strong word, rather I protected Allison by not telling people about her depression.

Edit –

GBC, “I deceived Toni by making her think that we had a future together.  I have no knowledge of criminal behaviour, or how police operate.  I just wanted police to be told the truth.  This is why I called Toni and asked her about talking to police, I told her to tell them the truth.  I had a number of infidelities over the years.  The difference was with Toni and I we worked together.  It wasn’t who I was brought up to be and I am very ashamed.  

That is when I was relieved when things ended with Toni.  I had no intention of telling Allison about the other women.  I didn’t want to jeopardise things.  I was with some of the other women for an extended period of time, many of them concurrent.

I answered a lot of Allison’s questions but there were times when I questioned her about the necessity.  The counsellor later explained that it was important for Allison to talk about it.  I could see it wasn’t helpful.  I liked Carmel Ritchie’s structure of the 15 minute sessions.”

GBC denies that Toni stayed at his house.  He said she visited and they had physical relations.

“I gave Toni a separation date I wouldn’t keep because I was worried about her mental strength.”

Edit, so it is fine to have “many,  numerous affairs” and to run down these women, yet, GBC says he worries about their mental state?  Which is it? 

GBC, “I wanted Toni to put me out of her life.  Some of the things I said and did were pretty naive and pretty stupid.  I had some hope Toni could move on and we’d have some sort of friendship in the distant future.  I’ve known Allison for 17 years, Toni for five.  I wasn’t worried about them both being at the conference as Allison was non-confrontational.  Allison could have been expecting Toni to be there anyway.

———— Edit – Yet – Allison confronted GBC on his affairs———

 GBC, “Toni did have a volatile nature but in a public environment was always able to control herself.  I really had no concern at all.  I had been given Allison’s journal.”

Photograph – Page of Allison’s journal.

GBC is being asked what a series of numbers mean.  He said that he doesn’t know.  He doesn’t know how long Allison had the journal, although some dates were a couple of years prior.  He said he doesn’t know where it was kept.

 

GBC HAS FINISHED GIVING EVIDENCE

ADJOURNED UNTIL 11:50AM

 

Defence witness Ashton Ward, managing director of Khemistry has taken the stand.

Mr Ward takes time lapse footage.  He placed a camera at Kholo Creek which was retrieved on 20th June, 2014.  Mr Ward is explaining how time lapse footage works.

FOOTAGE – Time lapse footage of the creek which shows the tide rising and falling.  Logs, leaves and other debris can be seen moving along the creek.

Fuller is asking about the timing of the time lapse footage.  Fuller says one second of the footage equals 75 minutes.  Fuller commented that Mr Ward had no idea what the area looked like in 2012 and there aren’t any markings on the footage to indicate where the body was.

 

Dr Michael Roberston, a forensic toxicologist has taken the stand.

Dr Robertson reviewed file documents from Allison’s post mortem.  Dr Robertson is talking about Sertralin, also known as Zoloft.  Seratonin is a mood altering chemical in the brain, Sertraline increases the levels of seratonin in the brain.  The levels of sertraline in Allison’s blood, stomach and liver are being discussed.  The average levels of Sertraline for someone taking  the drug would be .03 to .05mg per kg in the blood.

Dr Robertson said that “relative to clinical numbers” Allison’s reading was high at .059.

The judge is asking what the point of this comparison is, comparing Allison’s result with someone who is alive.  Mr Robertson said that the drug concentrations can both increase and decrease after death.  Drug concentrations redistribute.  Studies have shown areas like legs are less susceptible to redistribution.  Studies show that Sertraline doesn’t move much 24 to 48 hours after death.  Allison’s higher reading could be from redistribution or taking more of the drug.  The side effects from taking Sertraline could include anxiety, agitation, confusion, thermoregulation.

Another Seratonin Syndrome  is unusual behaviour and elevation of body temperature.  Suicidal ideation is another side effect that has cropped up from time to time.  Seratonin Syndrome happens when your seratonin levels are too high.  This can lead to increased agitation, unusual behaviours, confusion, problems with muscle control.  Studies show people on anti depressants have a higher risk of suicide.

DR ROBERTSON IS NOW BEING QUESTIONED BY THE CROWN

Dr Robertson agreed that there were only trace levels of Sertraline in Allison’s stomach.  Dr Robertson agreed that due to the redistribution of the drug after death, it was possible that there wasn’t any Sertraline in Allison’s stomach at all.

Dr Robertson is discussing redistribution of the concentration of the drug after death.   Concentrations will increase in the central region of the body more so than peripheral that is the legs.  The study doesn’t mention how long people have been deceased.

Edit – this guy doesn’t seem to be very thorough….

Dr Robertson agreed it would be affected by how long the person had been dead and the position of their body.  Another study dealt with people who had been dead 24 to 48 hours.  Dr Robertson agreed that the people in the study had 20 fold concentrations in liver after 24 to 48 hours.  Allison’s liver was 10 fold.

Dr Robertson, “Broadly speaking, Sertraline is considered low toxicity.  The Sertraline in Allison’s liver is not consistent with an acute overdose leading to death.  I can’t completely explain the elevated levels of the drug in some parts of Allison’s body.”

Dr Robertson agreed that the levels in Allison’s body were not consistent with Sertraline related deaths.  Allison’s stomach contents were inconsistent with ingesting significant quantities of Sertraline before death.

 

Dr Mark Schramm has been called to the stand.

Dr Schramm is a psychiatrist with 20 years experience, a lot of his work is forensic psychology.

Dr Schramm has prepared a report based on Allison’s psychiatric and medical records.

Schramm, “My report was proof read and approved by a professor in psychology who specialises in suicide.  I have seen consultation notes, Allison’s GP file, psychiatrist notes, counsellor notes, autopsy report.  I have seen Dr George’s testimony as well as Ms Richie’s.  I don’t know whether Allison’ reaction to the anti-malaria medication is a red herring.  Allison seemed to complain of a depressed mood, self doubt, lack of confidence and anxiety.  Anyone can have panic attacks, anyone with anxiety is prone to them.”

Dr Schramm, “One study shows that 3.4% of people suffering from major depression will take their lives.”

Edit – ALLISON WASN’T SUFFERING FROM DEPRESSION AT THIS TIME, THAT WAS 12 YEARS AGO.  This guy has no shame – $$$$$$$$$

Schramm, “It is not universal to leave a suicide note.  More than half do not.  Unfortunately suicide is a surprise, even in retrospect it is impossible to predict.  You should not assume that experts have the answers.  It is very much with psychiatry, people will assume we have a much greater power than we do to predict.  It is foolish to be completely confident that someone with a history of depression isn’t going to take their life.”

Edit -I don’t like this paid witness.  

 

 CROSS EXAMINATION BY DANNY BOYLE

“Dr Scam” agrees that none of the remarks he gave about depression and suicide relate to Allison, they are just general assessments.

Dr Scam is being asked about maternal attachment, if that would count against a suicide risk.

Dr Scam said if there was not a triggering event, that would also count against risk of suicide.

Dr Scam agreed that a person making short and long term plans would also be at lower risk of suicide, if the person making the plans had not yet made the decision to commit suicide.

Danny Boyle, “What if the person has been proactive in the past about seeking assistance?”

Dr Scam, “In general it lowers risk.  I did get a sense of Allison’s maternal attachment but I can’t recall where it was said.”

Dr Mark Schramm agrees that symptoms of depression can become worse during pregnancy.  Allison never reported any side effects from the anti depressants.  There was a sense that sometimes it took several months for Allison to respond to the medication.  She seemed to benefit from the antidepressants.

After 2003, suicide was never raised by any psychiatrists, psychologists or counsellors who consulted with Allison.

Dr Schramm said that  he hasn’t interviewed Allison or anyone else.

Dr Schramm said Allison suffered from major depression which is a major risk factor of suicide.  “One could imagine” the stresses in the marriage could have put Allison at risk of suicide.  He said that he has “no idea” but going on the Relationships Australia, this could have made things raw.

Edit – coulda, woulda, shoulda…….

Dr Schramm said that it could also have given her hope.  Dr Schramm said that of course depression is a factor for suicide.

Dr Schramm has finished.

Edit – Don’t let the door hit you on the way out (sorry everyone).

MICHAEL BYRNE QC SAYS THAT IS THE CASE FOR THE DEFENCE.

Justice John Byrne said that means all the evidence has been given.

THE JURY HAS BEEN EXCUSED UNTIL 10:00AM MONDAY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


FULL TRANSCRIPTION OF GBC’S BLOG:

 

Mr Mum!

27.11.08 The past week I have been trying to do my best impersonation of my dear wife – and struggling!

Allison turned the big “four-o” earlier this year and to mark the occasion she and her best friend have taken a week off at the Golden Door health spa.

Whilst she has been enjoying the rest and quietude, I have been trying to manage the house and transport my three girls to all of their activities – and I am knackered!

It’s a bit of a cliché that most men have no idea how hard it is to run a household, and I thought that I was pretty in tune with the day-to-day routine, but I can honestly say that this week has given me a real insight into the challenges of managing a family. Waking up, getting dressed, having breakfast, making lunches, getting to school, collecting from school, bath, cook dinner, eat dinner, homework, teeth, bed! And that doesn’t include any extracurricular activities like ballet, swimming and music! And, I haven’t done any vacuuming, dusting, cleaning or a single load of washing!

In amongst all of this “domestic duty”, I’ve also been trying to squeeze in some work and assistance with running this business – look out for the two new properties coming to the market this week and the successful sales from last weekend too!

Despite these challenges (and the associated exhaustion!), I have enjoyed some wonderful times with my children both individually and collectively. Whether it be a few minutes playing in the park, a snatched moment whilst getting them ready for bed, or just the simple pleasure of talking about life whilst driving to and from school, kindy and a host of other activities!

The startling revelation personally, has been the realisation that I am NOT superman after all!

Yes, I think that I have managed (alright, “coped” is probably more accurate!) rather well this week (and I have only put the TV on once for “assistance”!), but it would be remiss of me not to mention the terrific support of my sister and friends who have been able to look after Ella (aged 2) during the day so that I can still work during school hours.

So, what’s the upshot of this week? Well, I certainly have a renewed respect for all of the hard work that goes into being a “homemaker”, and the pleasure of being able to spend some more quality time with my three beautiful girls. I’ll certainly be more understanding in the future when I come home from work and find that dinner isn’t on the table with my foot spa pre-warmed! Until next week…. Gerard Baden-Clay

 

 

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101 thoughts on “Gerard Baden-Clay Murder Trial – Day 14 – 2nd July, 2014

  1. More lies…..

    Mr Bigmouth liar said that he has driven over Kholo Creek bridge only since Allison’s death, he doesn’t know the area of the scouts, etc.

    Welllllllllll………….. Allison is from Ipswich. Guess the fastest, direct route, without traffic to get to Ipswich?

    Of course, this area, driving over Kholo Creek bridge. The area is very overgrown, you don’t see many properties at all…..perfect, hey GBC???

    You also can’t tell me that with allllllllllll that ego, that the Real Estate agent who knows this area so well that they can tell you the price of a property from looking at the roof (a game that he played with NBC, boasting how well they knew the properties in their area), didn’t peacock himself and preen himself at the scout camp, with another chance to boast of his hyphenated, made up, name?

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  2. I’m gobsmacked …. i hope the crown has read this , how the hell could you exlain which is truth and which is fairytale. Great find , you couldnt find a better example of his BS ,,,,

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    • Mike, you can cut off 1/2 hour WITHOUT traffic going this way. It is also a lovely drive.

      I wonder if GBC drove over the bridge to attend Allison’s funeral?

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      • Moonlight I lived in that area for 2 months over a decade ago and remembered Kholo Creek and the scout ground. They are well signposted. Unless one drives with your eyes half shut one can’t miss them. This area is in GBC’s back yard. There is NO way he and his entire family did not know Kholo bridge and with their scouting interests also the scout ground, I suspect like the back of their hands.

        After Allison went ‘missing’ with my limited exposure to the area I wondered about the bushy areas between Anstead and Karana Downs, because it would be ideal for concealing a body, and lo and behold that ended up where she was found.

        So if I in my naivety could think of this, no doubt someone with evil intent would and in fact did – someone who wanted Allison;s body to not be found for 1-2 weeks, and be safe from helicopter or pedestrian searches. Evil!

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    • Dear Mike,

      Back to GHS “helping at Moggill Shops in the floods”. I would like to be corrected, still, as I don’t know to which shops he is referring. There are shops at Bellbowrie and a “corner store” type shop up high opposite Moggill school that didn’t flood. If the strategists and spin doctors aren’t clear, then no-one can question them – the locals can’t say, “GBC wasn’t at Bellbowrie helping us” as he wasn’t clear. Just spinning.

      More strategy from he and his spin doctors “Dr Spin Defence” – all trying to have the jury think GBC is upstanding, with he rambling on about how much money he made (which wasn’t as much as he was trying to make it out to be), how he was “this” and “that”, giving so much information, the jury won’t check things like he would drive over the bridge to Ipswich, that he perhaps didn’t help at the floods, so the strategists think. However, we are now in a different age, the age of people caring and being allowed a voice.

      As I type out the testimonies, things hit me as not right. They protest to cover themselves when it isn’t necessary which gives me a red flag.

      Same as the bridge, that we just spoke about, the bridge he would have crossed to drive to Ipswich, like the locals do. His ramblings were purposeful, similar to those commercials on the new TV stations that go on and on an on, trying to convince you to buy, advertising is what rules our society.

      Imagine he giving his business card to the doctor after his wife died to sell her house? He shouldn’t be able to function, if he truly cared, little alone always looking for a lead. His business is his Achilles Heel.

      GBC’s product are his lies.

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  3. THE BRIDGE TESTIMONY:

    Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller QC asked Mr Baden-Clay whether he had been to Kholo Creek prior to his wife’s death.

    “I had driven across that bridge in the past yes, when going out along Mt Crosby,” Mr Baden-Clay said.

    “You had properties in and around Anstead that you’d had some connection with?” Mr Fuller asked.

    “Yes,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.

    “Had you had anything to do with the Scout camp?” Mr Fuller said.

    “No,” Mr Baden-Clay said.

    Gerard Baden-Clay says he didn’t know the location of the creek where his wife’s body was found.

    “Did you know one was there?” Mr Fuller asked.

    “To be honest with you I’m not sure I knew exactly where it was,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.

    Edit – please read sign as you drive over the bridge: (I think there are two bridges on that run of the road)

    EDIT: (Standard 101 of lying, when someone says, “To be honest with you”).

    The court has previously heard Mr Baden-Clay is the great-grandson of famed Scout movement founder Lord Robert Baden-Powell.

    The court has also heard the Scout grounds at Anstead border the creek.

    “If you had asked me on the 19th or anytime in April where Kholo Creek Bridge was I would not have been able to tell you. I had no idea,” Mr Baden-Clay said.

    “Mr Baden-Clay you deceived your wife for nearly four years didn’t you?” Mr Fuller said.

    “Yes,” Mr Baden-Clay replied.

    Mr Fuller soon turned his questioning to Mr Baden-Clay’s character.

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  4. Fuller, “I suggest that police were in contact with you every day.”

    GBC, “Once a day wasn’t enough, I was desperate for information from the police.”

    Edit – and yes we know why……

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  5. GBC, “There wasn’t anything to stop me from talking to the police, other than the advice of my lawyer. I met with my lawyer on that first night.”

    Fuller, “Your first call to Allison was at 6.32am on the morning she went missing. Your first call to your parents’ address was at 6:44am. Concerned enough to call your parents?”

    GBC, “That is correct.”

    Fuller, “Which of Allison’s friends did you call at that time of the morning?”

    GBC, “None. Her best friend lived beyond walking distance, it was a possibility she had walked to my parents at Kenmore.”

    Edit – rubbish, another furphy – they are too far away, much too far away for a walk, especially for someone who walks 1/2 kilometre up the road on a flat surface, then turns around again. What rubbish!

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  6. Fuller, “You had no anticipation that she wasn’t coming home, did you?”

    GBC, “If she was found and was in hospital, I needed to let them know.”

    Fuller, “So you were planning ahead?”

    GBC, “I rang the Cheesmans as I was supposed to go around the prepare for their open house that day.”

    Fuller, “So that was about managing the business?”

    GBC, “I was concerned about Allison, but had to manage a business too.”

    Fuller, “Why did you phone the Crannas?”

    GBC, “I don’t know, possibly because he was close by.”

    Edit – GBC wanted an audience to feel sorry with him.

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    • Oh just imagine this!!
      His wife is ‘tragically’ missing, instead of frantically searching for her, he tidies his house, makes his bed without noticing if the other side had been slept in, moves a portrait of him and his wife which had significance for her, set out teacups for expected visitors, dresses in a suit and cuff links, prepares to send his traumatised children to school so the school can deal with the problem while he phones/texts all his family members and friends, googles ‘pleading the fifth”, calls the police, asks his father to remove a vacuum cleaner and hose from under the house (nearly forgot!), then turns his attention to seeing a lawyer….huh…??? Oh and in the end he fits in calling the missing wife’s parents…in case they are interested…..What the…???!!!!

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  7. Fuller is asking about the couple’s insurance and superannuation policies as there were discussions on reducing them.

    Fuller is asking GBC about phoning Allison’s life insurance on 1st May, the day she was found.

    Fuller, “How did you find out a body had been found?”

    GBC, “I was at the office and a media report came through. I called my lawyer when I heard, we met in the city and police came to my barrister’s office. Police confirmed to me that the body was Allison’s.”

    Fuller, “You are confident that police confirmed it was Allison? Didn’t they tell you that it possibly was Allison or likely Allison?”

    GBC, “I was told definitely”.

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      • Exactly, melbomartin, this really bothered me. He should be devastated, imagine phoning strangers and talking about your wife’s death at that time. Who would want to do that so soon?

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        • Yes, and I think Allison’s body was identified by dental records, certainly not that day that GBC says police told him it was definitely Allison’s body that was found. Where is the grief? Where is the being with your children? No, he goes straight to see his solicitor. Surely the jury will see this – I sure hope so! He constantly hides behind his father ‘told him to report her death to the insurance company’, his father ‘told him to seek legal advice’, his sister told him it wasn’t too early to call the police. This man is in his 40’s, is he incapable of thinking for himself? Clearly not, and when he does he still stuffs it up!!

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  8. A “number of women”

    Fuller, “You know how to turn the tracking app off.”

    GBC, “Both Allison and I knew how to turn it off. Allison went through a period of nine years with hardly an intimacy. There were a number of people he went to for sex and we’ve talked about some of them. I spoke to Allison about Toni, but not about any of the other women I had a relationship with.”

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  9. GBC, “That is not true. We wanted to put the past behind us, with regard to counselling.”

    (Rattling chains :D)

    Fuller, “You wanted to put the past behind you. You were living a double life, weren’t you?”

    GBC, “No, I did not believe I was living a double life at that stage.”

    Fuller, “The facade that was Gerard Baden-Clay would fall if Toni McHugh had confronted Allison at the conference. If Allison had found out that you had been seeing, and emailing Toni, you would be exposed.”

    GBC, “Sorry is there a question there?”

    Edit – what a &^%O

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  10. ********************************* NEWS ******************************
    11,04am:

    Fuller, “Your business was failing, all things were coming together. You killed your wife Mr Baden-Clay.”

    GBC, “No I did not.”

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  11. Fuller, “You killed her, probably smothered her and she lashed out with her fingernails. She grabbed your clothing, that is why you had the injury under your left shoulder. You overpowered her very quickly, didn’t you?”

    GBC, “I never overpowered her”.

    Fuller, “Did her jumper come up as you struggled or when you dumped her in the creek?”

    GBC, “Your suppositions are absurd. I can’t answer them.

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  12. Here Mike and Diane:

    PHOTOGRAPH – Floor plan of house.

    GBC is discussing how sound travels. If the girls made a sound, we could hear it clearly through the house. GBC is talking about the age of the house and the building materials used. One of the girls got up the night of 19th April after they had put them to bed. Allison was on the couch. I did not hear any noises that night.

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    • Interesting that… sound travels and yet Allison at some point during the night placed his phone on the charger next to his bed and somehow got around the treadmill on his side of the bed (oh, but he’s a deep sleeper don’t forget). And Allison managed to change into her walking clothes and leave the house, and in the meantime her pyjamas are nowhere to be seen and he didn’t look for them at any point, and he still heard nothing. That’s right, he only hears the girls. I think it’s called selective hearing, or lying.

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  13. GBC denies that Toni stayed at his house. He said she visited and they had physical relations.

    “I gave Toni a separation date I wouldn’t keep because I was worried about her mental strength.”

    Edit, so it is fine to have “many, numerous affairs” and to run down these women, yet, GBC says he worries about their mental state? Which is it?

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    • Oh my ! He claims he did not care about Toni, wanted to be rid of her and lied to all & sundry about loving her, yet he claims to be worried about her mental health.

      His claims to care about his wife but he treats her like a piece of trash and cheats on her behind every bush he can find.

      Has he any idea what all the c@#% he is talking sounds like???

      I would have thought having had 2 years to get his ducks in a row and his story straight, he would do better than this!!!!!!!!! But it’s good – it is necessary that he is exposed for the evil monster that he is – ditto for accomplices.

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      • Yes, and setting a fake date for Toni would help her mental state – how? Oh that’s right, he was ‘placating’ her. I think it’s called burying your head in the sand, or lying. He is painting a picture of himself as a liar who will say anything to get himself out of a situation and yet he still thinks he looks good. It makes him look like a delusional manipulative liar, but he’s okay with that because he believes in himself. It’s the reason he took the stand, to convince everyone what he believes about himself. It’s called narcissism.

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        • The thing is, Toni isn’t as stupid as GBC attempts to make her out to be. They had a relationship of approximately five years. If GBC placated Toni as he claims, she would have “lost it” as he claims is her personality (which I also don’t think he would put up with, he’d go to the next woman, as he can’t control that type of personality). He isn’t a “yes man” as he would be continuing letting her down. He showed on the stand, if he doesn’t get his own way, and he expects it, he is sarcastic. The email between GBC and Toni stated that they were both in agony being apart, another email he said to Toni, “let me handle it for now”. These aren’t placating words, this is a relationship of TRUST. Toni wouldn’t, for five years, have trusted him, if he didn’t deliver each time. She wouldn’t have protected him until she found out that he was sleeping with other women behind her back.

          GBC and Toni had the photos done that Allison discovered just before she was murdered. Withheld evidence.

          GBC did keep their relationship going, he did re-connect with Toni, when they weren’t working together, (remember he said he had to sleep with her as they were working together to keep the business going? OMG, what is he going to do in jail with the other inmates…. – hahaha “I shall placate you…”), his excuse of re-connecting was to make sure she was alright. Their relationship was then intimate again. Come on, he must think people don’t have memories.

          I think that in the real world, a lot of people rolled their eyes behind his back, GBC thought he was, “the man” and in reality, he wasn’t getting away with his carrying-on tactics that he continues to try, now.

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          • I agree Moonlight! His constant lying is very apparent, and really annoying. But he is what he is, I think his true colours showed.

            Now why would the GG & GM portraits which I suspect was part of the final straw for Allison be withheld as evidence? It is yet more proof how he wanted to torment Allison right to the very end. Allison who was kind and loving and wanted nothing from him but to be the same to her. How he treated her in life and death is inexcusable.

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  14. More lies, from GBC.

    Quote Gerard Baden-Clay: “I answered that question. They asked me to provide a statement, my answer was no.” I believe I spoke to homicide. I didn’t know what CIB meant, I didn’t know what a crime scene was.”

    GBC’s interests, his words, his blog:

    Surely, some of these movies had crime scenes???????

    Favourite Films:

    the Mission Impossible series, The Bourne trilogy, most of the James Bond Films – the latest Casino Royale being the best, Lethal Weapon series although the first was definitely the best, Thank You For Smoking, True Lies –

    Source:

    https://www.blogger.com/profile/07907839226403813399

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      • GBC’s answers:

        “I don’t recall”

        “I don’t know”

        “I honestly don’t know”

        “Isn’t this a bit personal”

        “I didn’t think you’d ask such personal questions”

        “I’ve already answered that”.

        If someone is honest and not guilty, they would answer with, “yes, no”.

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      • That’s exactly it!! Wonder why someone who claims to have no idea what a ‘crime scene’ is, would know what ‘pleading the fifth” is and be very interested to learn more about it immediately prior to reporting their murdered wife missing…????

        As Moonlight mentioned earlier, it is denying stuff and lying about stuff unnecessarily that shows with absolute clarity that he is so GUILTY, trying so hard to cover every track that he is being stupid about it. Great! Go for it GBC!!!!!! Keep showing your true colours!!!

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  15. Dr Robertson, “Broadly speaking, Sertraline is considered low toxicity. The Sertraline in Allison’s liver is not consistent with an acute overdose leading to death.

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  16. Dr Schramm, “One study shows that 3.4% of people suffering from major depression will take their lives.”

    ALLISON WASN’T SUFFERING FROM DEPRESSION AT THIS TIME, THAT WAS 12 YEARS AGO. This guy has no shame – $$$$$$$$$. This guy is one opinion, different from all those whom consulted with Allison, shameful. We all know how academic opinion differs. Bottom line is, he didn’t consult, he read notes and he is paid by the defence.

    Schramm, “It is not universal to leave a suicide note. More than half do not.

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    • Wouldn’t one argue that a person on antidepressants and seeking counselling would be less likely to take their own life? I imagine untreated depression accounts for many more cases of suicide but I’m no expert.

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      • This guy is a paid scammer, in my opinion. How can he negate, as a professional, the other doctors who consulted for years with Allison? In my view, the whole thing is shameful.

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  17. DR MARK SCHRAMM:

    08/12/12 This Doctor is very arrogant and a little egotistical. He needs to seek help from his own therapist as to why he feels so inferior inside that he has to act so superior. Surely it is an act, no one could be this high and mighty.

    he cured my main problems fantastic doctor and i couldnt have got there without him or medication its part of cognative therapy

    He is so arrogant and does not take the time to listen. Should not work with patients. He is only interested in drugging me up.

    I can’t believe what those other people have written. Dr Schramm is the nicest most caring doctor I heve ever met. He listens and helps and has basically saved my life after years of pain and depressiion and wrong diagnosis. He always has time to talk and really wants to know ME!!.

    What a complete waste of time. This guy has no idea! I have never come across such an egotistical doctor as this chap. Seriously make the effort to find someone that knows a little more than this chaps limited knowledge. Classic pill dispenser and hyped up medico legal “know it all’!!

    21/03/0 Just another pill dispenser. Gave me ECT as a first line of treatment.

    29/08/07 Doesn’t have a very theraputic attitude, likes to prescribe meds and that’s really all.

    Source:
    http://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/120848/Dr-Mark-Schramm-Brisbane-QLD.html

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  18. Notwithstanding the fact too that Allison was devoted to her children and it is highly unlikely she would take her life. She was too committed to them and their welfare. Of all the things that has made me sick about this, it is the defence claims that she was somehow not a fit parent that really rub me up the wrong way.

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    • Allison was highly self-aware, and sought professional help for her problems. Who, having been married to a manipulative, lying, cheating husband like hers, who constantly put her down, would not be depressed? No-one would blame her for trying to seek marriage guidance counselling, and then to find out that after she had forgiven him and set conditions, only to discover he was STILL lying and cheating, would not have thought of leaving the marriage. This in my mind is a reason GBC would’ve been very concerned about what might occur at the conference the next day. If Allison left him, his fake persona was blown out of the water – to his family, the community, his business contacts – and this alone would have been enough to spark a rage. Let’s not forget either, despite his denials that he wasn’t overly concerned about his financial situation (yeah, right!) that he stood to lose his daughters and his business by divorcing Allison. If she had suggested or hinted at this, that would’ve been the trigger for a huge explosion on his part.

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  19. MICHAEL BYRNE QC SAYS THAT IS THE CASE FOR THE DEFENCE.

    Justice John Byrne said that means all the evidence has been given.

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  20. If you have a look at the white ear head phones that GBC is wearing.

    Photographic proof of the lies:

    Then, you have a look at which side of the bed they are hanging:

    The above is further proof that GBC’s side of the bed is the left hand side, which I call the masculine side, due to the fact the right hand side has feminine belongings on it.

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    • That would be the left hand side of the photo is his side.
      Meaning the right hand side in real life.
      That would mean the right hand side of the photo was Allison’s side.
      Meaning the left hand in real life.
      The book under the table would be on Allison’s side.
      The headphones (great pick up) hanging would be his.
      The treadmill is on his side.

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      • I agree that’s the way they slept QCL. Fuller did indeed show the photo and question GBC Mike, and in fact threw a huge amount of doubt as to who placed his phone on its charger at 1.48am on 20th April as he admitted it was next to him when he awoke. The implication of course is GBC didn’t know if Allison came to bed, and also how would she reach over him or squeeze past the treadmill to his side of the bed to place the phone on the charger. I think this was a brilliant point made by the prosecution.

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      • Dearest Queenslandcountrylady,

        Isn’t it chilling? Confrontational and ever so sad. Why didn’t he look at that photo, the marital bed and cry? His well thought out timing for crying wasn’t anything to do with reality, as we know.

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  21. Agreed, the right bedside table clearly has feminine stuff on, and books underneath, I seem to recall Allison’s journal was found by police under her bedside table…is that correct?

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    • I think it was established in court that the left-hand side of the bed was his, as Fuller asked GBC about the treadmill being on his side of the bed? The look on his face in that photo, I don’t know what it is about his eyes, but they are creepy… I think this every time I see an image of him.

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      • I agree Sad for Allison, I feel that too… hard, emotionless, callous, calculating, manipulating….???

        I feel an unusually strong aversion actually, have done since that very first day I saw him and sis Livvy on TV….felt like I was looking at evil personified. The very reason for my being here 2 years later! I knew at that moment that Allison would not be found alive and he knew exactly where she was. And every shred of evidence that has come to light since has supported that.

        There must be truth to the saying ones eyes are windows to ones soul! We do not like what we see in Gerard’s – SNAP!

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        • How amazing that you had the premonition where Allison would be found RIP! It must give you goosebumps thinking about it. There is something very menacing and malicious about his expression in many photos. The jury would’ve noticed a marked difference in his testimony while the defense were questioning him – voice breaking, sobbing, wiping his eyes, saying ‘sorry’ etc to when he was on the defensive the past 2 days while being cross-examined. I wish I could’ve been in court to get a better sense of it, but I bet they got the impression of the simmering anger below the surface. The consummate liar (by his own admission!) and manipulator. That wouldn’t go down well for the jurors at all.

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          • Dear Sad for Allison,

            Some of GBC’s responses were quite sarcastic, he isn’t a broken man from losing his wife, by any means, he cries when it is about him, not about her.

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          • Hi Sad for Allison, I did not think of it as ‘premonition’, it was just a thought when they did not find her for a day or two. I thought well there’s such a vast undisturbed terrain around those “camel humps” – the Kholo Ck towards Karana Downs area, where a body could be concealed.

            GBC made many blunders in executing his evil plan, but he used Allison’s phone as a very effective decoy – it kept searchers mulling around the wrong area for around a week or so. I suspect if it was not for the phone signalling from near the BC home, the police would have searched the scout camp & surrounds a lot sooner.

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        • Dear RIP,

          I agree with all you say, and the premonition, too, is amazing, RIP.

          When Allison was lost, we drove around the streets, I kept thinking, “the drains, the water, the creek” it was really bothering me, really bothering me.

          I just didn’t know where.

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      • I heard, in person, he is very charming, very charismatic, very alluring as a man.

        This is what he knows, and what he plays on, and tried to play on in court.

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        • Well I think with his masque removed and all his dirty washing out in the open, the spell was broken. I think his nasty real character – dishonest, deceptive, arrogant, manipulative, abusive, and cruel was plain for all to see. I doubt very much the jury found him charming.

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          • Good RIP, so very good. I have mentioned before, I saw him from a distance, before all this happened, and wasn’t impressed, as I like authentic people. To me, he stood out like a sore thumb.

            I smiled at your list of character traits, so well put.

            The jury are there to be critical, let us hope.

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          • Hi RIP. Hope you had a nice holiday. I too thought he un-masked himself on the stand. Just ever so slightly.
            Just enough that his true colours started to peep through.

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            • Well certainly the jurors would’ve observed the difference between when GBC was in full flight of detailing his trip to Europe and beyond many years ago, waxing on and on and having a chuckle about this that and the other, compared to his answers to Todd Fuller which were short, sharp and somewhat testy. He just had to regain any control or power lost (in his own mind), as in mentioning how many lovers he had when he felt he was being hammered/put in a corner under cross-questioning. How bizarre!

              It was also really interesting how he took offence to the suggestion that he’d left his children at home the night of Allison’s death – meanwhile he’s on trial for murdering his wife! That fact was of little importance at that point, I’d have thought but it was important to him. I do wish the prosecution had gone for the jugular in terms of his sense of importance, which was the business, the money, how he was such a failure in that area. Perhaps the prosecution have done enough, and GBC himself certainly helped their case by revealing his true persona.

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        • Gee whiz, if he was trying to be alluring and charming and charismatic in court, (chuckle for empathy);
          Methinks he failed miserably. (Um, what was the question there? Indignant ex-postulation re dastardly suggestion. Clears throat, Don’t recall)

          At what point should he be reminded this is a Murder trial? Not a travel expo.
          Oh, and the number one suspect is himself.

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          • Exactly QCL, I think he truly loves the sound of his own voice (lies are permissable naturally) and let’s face it he hasn’t had the audience of choice for the past 2 years! I think he charms himself, and believes others feel the same about him as he does. He is the only one he loves – not Toni, not Allison, not any of his other flings. His love for his children would be how they reflect back on him and make him feel about himself.

            I too have questioned whether he was really ‘present’ to his circumstances and that he was the one on trial during several of the hours he was on the stand. He’s gone back to Arthur Gorrie in the evening and had a think about his testimony, and then the next day of all things feels it necessary to make clear that putting the Find my Friend app on his and Allison’s phone was HIS idea! Who cares, there was so much more at stake at that point during the trial it just beggars belief.

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  22. Hi Brissy72, please feel free to write here, you may like to sign in with your nickname, in the “Please respond here” section, and just jump in. If you have any problems, please let me know and I’ll help.

    Kind regards,
    Moonlight

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      • Hello Brissy 72 and Welcome ,

        Well Gerry would have us believe he is one of ‘Jesus’s Little Sunbeams’ , but let me tell you he aint foolin me, however we do have to think like a juror and as such must base our decision on what is testified only and i’m far from impressed with the case the crown put forward , let me give you just a couple of examples , firstly i think a lot of people took an interest in the case when we saw his interview with sis Olly by his side , well by his side when she wasnt digging into his back in an attempt to get him to shut his trap , infact i bet afterwards he said ” It only hurt a little bit Livvy … but I’m ok now ” … why didnt they play that and it doesnt matter what question they then asked either of them about it it would be testimony …… and another huge blunder was why was he not asked why on the morning of her dissappearance did he google ‘ taking the 5th’ , as his answer could only be a lie , we’ll never know but it’d need to be the ‘Porkie of the Century’ if it didnt clinch the verdict.

        Personally i think he’s as guilty as sin , however much of the crown case appeared as if they didnt want to win , between us ‘lay people ‘ here during the trial we had many extremely prudent questions that may well have stumped him, never once when he avoided answering Mr Fullers questions did he ask GBC again to answer the question that he asked.

        You only get one go at trying someone and i wonder why Danny Boyle never said one word and also why the original lead investigator Mark Ainsworth was not called to testify as he faced the media daily until he charged GBC and was never seen again , he did handle the media brilliantly.

        We do have the summing up yet and also the Judge to address the jurors , i just hope they feel they heard enough to put away this terrible excuse for a human and that he does his time long and extremely hard.

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        • Dear Mike,

          GBC, in his testimony, said that he tried to phone his policeman friend when Allison first disappeared, I don’t recall a name being given. Probably too much of a stretch.

          There are things, though, that bug me, too, I wonder who knows whom…

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  23. Interesting article I saw at http://friedgreentomatoes.org/ about psychopaths or narcissists – sounds strangely familiar doesn’t it?

    “Charming, seductive and eloquent they are, and they use all those abilities when lying, manipulating and betraying. Psychopaths and narcissists can slash a path of human misery through lives of dozens, or hundreds, and even thousands, of people. They bring pain and suffering to nearly everyone they touch. And yet, somehow, they manage to convince their victims that it is they who are being wronged.

    There is a reason for that: they actually do feel that they are victims because somewhere inside, they know that they are not like the majority of the human population, and this knowledge is coupled with a fundamental need to be in control, to be in charge. That they – a minority – cannot be in charge of the majority appears to them as a great injustice, one that they will fight to the death to right!”

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    • Gosh RIP, this is such a good article, thank you so much. It is awful being on the other end of people such as that, they are so conniving and fool 99% of the people around them.

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  24. Yes, pretty much sums him up RIP. Trying to convince others of his lies, but at the same time believing it’s okay to lie. God knows what the jurors make of him. Did any of you hear the report from people who were in court on Wednesday saying that GBC passed a note to the bailiff? It was handed to the Judge, and then GBC and his legal team taken outside as the defense knew nothing about the note. The jury weren’t in at that point, and it was brushed over and the jury weren’t told about it. This guy just beggars belief! I don’t think he even gets the gravity of the fact that he’s on the stand for murder.

    Justice Byrne’s summing up will be really interesting, and I think will obviously affect which was the verdict goes. I wonder how long the jury will deliberate for, and just hope there isn’t a hung jury if they can’t agree. I’m taking a day off work on Monday to hear the closing arguments. This will be too good to miss!

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  25. Dear Brissy72,

    WordPress is naughty and holds some posts in moderation, there isn’t a rhyme nor reason, just letting you know, it is quite naughty; however, we look and put them through as quickly as possible.

    Take care,
    Moonlight

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  26. A post from gerbilhuntingseason:

    I truly believe that the judge’s summing up and direction to the jury will hold the key to conviction or otherwise.

    I am taking hope from the “girl thrown over the balcony” verdict – Gittany.

    So many similarities in terms of sociopathic behaviour and protestations of innocence after the event.

    There is not a single person within my orbit (mind you, I live a pretty cloistered life just caring for Nuns) who believes he is innocent.

    If my Nuns (who are immersed in charitable thoughts and belief in the good of all people) are beside themselves with anguish about what they have read/heard, let’s hope that the jury shares some of that same sense of horror and despair.

    Should he walk free, I can only attempt to placate myself and others with the knowledge that his life as he knew it is over. (Oh shit, I can never, for the rest of my life, use the word ‘placate’ without thinking of him)

    Small consolation, I know.

    And what chance of his accomplices being made to face their truths?

    Nigel is in this up to his armpits. He may never be brought to justice, but his pathetic manufactured hyphenated name is now tarnished forever more.

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  27. A good article here from the Bulletin on 2 July of Todd Fuller’s intense questioning of GBC. How I would’ve loved to be there, but will go on Monday to hear the defence and prosecution’s summing up, and Justice Byrne’s direction to the jury:

    http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/news/baden-clay-not-concerned-about-mistress-phoning-wi/2306708/

    MURDER accused Gerard Baden-Clay has testified it was “absurd” to suggest he had physically harmed his wife in any way and “dastardly” to suggest he had unceremoniously dumped her body at the Kholo Creek bridge.
    The father of three told Brisbane Supreme Court he would never hurt his wife or leave his children in the middle of the night.
    He denied his wife caused long, wide scratches on his face and asserted he had not tried to cover it up.
    “You transported her to Kholo Creek and then dumped her underneath the bridge unceremoniously?” Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller suggested.
    “No I did not,” Mr Baden-Clay said.
    Mr Fuller suggested the accused man was anxious to get back to his children.
    “The suggestion that I would leave my children for any time in the middle of the night is absurd, let alone to do the dastardly things you are suggesting,” Mr Baden-Clay said.
    Mr Baden-Clay denied there was a risk of catastrophe if his wife and lover came together on April 20, 2012, so he had a decision to make the night of April 19.
    He said he did not believe he was living a double life that would be exposed.
    “If that came about you would be exposed to your family, your friends, your profession – the façade that was Gerard Baden-Clay would fall wouldn’t it?” Mr Fuller asked.
    “If your wife became aware that you were continuing to see Toni McHugh, that you had sex with her again after September, 2011, that you were emailing her and telling her that you loved her and that you would leave your wife for her… you’d be exposed if those things came out?”
    Mr Baden-Clay said: “If they did. There are lot of ifs, that’s true. It hadn’t been something I’d considered.”

    TODAY’S CROSS-EXAMINATION OF GERARD BADEN-CLAY

    Mr Fuller: As of April 19, 2012, you were indeed under a number of pressures weren’t you?
    Mr Baden-Clay: There were a number of pressures but they were not significant.
    Mr Fuller: You were under pressures from your wife Allison? She was keeping tabs on where you were going?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I should clarify … you put to me yesterday that Allison required certain things of me, including that I not go out at night and that I hand over my phone to her, that I put that find friends application on my phone. I should clarify – and it’s been something that bothered me last night because upon reflection of my evidence yesterday I felt satisfied I had answered truthfully and factually all the question you asked, however there is something in amongst that which is not quite accurate. It was actually my suggestion about that application. It was me that found it and me that loaded it on our phones. And showed Allison how to use it. It would be true to then say that Allison asked that we continue to use that application.
    Mr Fuller: You also knew how to turn it off?
    Allison Baden-Clay.QT file image
    Mr Baden-Clay: We both knew how to turn it off that’s correct. The application runs on the phone, links into the GPS on it, links into location service. On occasion it doesn’t’ function or malfunctions and doesn’t seem to work properly and we found that through trial and error the way to restart it was to turn off and turn it back on again
    Mr Fuller: And on the one day you needed it, it failed you?
    Mr Baden-Clay: And on the one day I needed it, it failed me, that’s correct.
    Mr Fuller: Whether it was Allison’s demands of you or your volunteering of those things, it didn’t stop you still meeting up with Toni McHugh?
    Mr Baden-Clay: No that’s correct. On a couple of occasions.
    Mr Fuller: Or being in contact with her regularly?
    Mr Baden-Clay: That is correct.
    Mr Fuller: I suggest you wanted to be with Toni McHugh?
    Mr Baden-Clay: That’s not correct.
    Mr Fuller: She offered things that you didn’t get from your wife, the wife you no longer loved?
    Mr Baden-Clay: No that’s not true. Allison and I had recommenced our physical relationship in February of that year. Allison and I had been through a period of about nine years where we hardly had any physical intimacy at all. Yes there were a number of women I went to for sex. We’ve talked about some of them. But Allison and I had recommenced our physical relationship and were rebuilding that.
    Mr Fuller: Marriage isn’t just about sex is it?
    Mr Baden-Clay: No it is not.
    Mr Fuller: A relationship is not just about sex?
    Mr Baden-Clay: No it is not.
    Mr Fuller: It’s about trust?
    Mr Baden-Clay: It’s about a lot of things, yes.
    Mr Fuller: You had betrayed her trust?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I had.
    Mr Fuller: You were continuing to betray her trust?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I was communicating with Toni which she was unaware of. I also had not communicated to her at any stage any of the other women I had a relationship with.
    Mr Fuller: I suggest to you that Toni McHugh offered you a different life and you wanted to take that opportunity?
    Mr Baden-Clay: That is not correct.
    Mr Fuller: That’s why you went back to her in December, 2011, because you realised you made the wrong choice in September, 2011?
    Mr Baden-Clay: No.
    Mr Fuller: That’s what the start of 2012 was all about – you and Toni McHugh planning how you were going to be living together as a couple.
    Mr Baden-Clay: No that’s not correct.
    Mr Fuller: You’d even set the end date – July 1, 2012?
    Mr Baden-Clay: We’ve discussed that.
    Mr Fuller: A wife who is watching your every move, who no longer trusted you?
    Mr Baden-Clay: She did trust me.
    Mr Fuller: You wanted to wipe the slate clean?
    Mr Baden-Clay: We wanted to put the past behind us and move forward, that’s correct.
    Mr Fuller: You wanted to put your past behind you?
    Mr Baden-Clay: Yes. I was very ashamed of my infidelity and poor behaviour in that regard and wanted to out that behind us.
    Mr Fuller: If those two women came together on April 20, there was a real risk of a catastrophe for you?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I did not feel that.
    Mr Fuller: Your double life would be exposed?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I did not feel that.
    Mr Fuller: You were leading a double life weren’t you?
    Mr Baden-Clay: No I did not believe I was leading a double life at that stage.
    Mr Fuller: You were telling Toni McHugh you loved her and you didn’t love your wife?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I was placating Toni McHugh.
    Mr Fuller: You were telling your wife you loved her and you couldn’t go back to Toni McHugh?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I did.
    Mr Fuller: Your wife had forgiven you once, you had no confidence she would forgive you again did you?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I can’t comment on that.
    Mr Fuller: If that came about you would be exposed to your family, your friends, your profession – the facade that was Gerard Baden-Clay would fall wouldn’t it?
    Mr Baden-Clay: If what, sorry?
    Mr Fuller: If Toni McHugh confronted Allison at the conference?
    Mr Baden-Clay: It never entered my mind that that that was a concern.
    Mr Fuller: If your wife became aware that you were continuing to see Toni McHugh, that you had sex with her again after September, 2011, that you were emailing her and telling her that you loved her and that you would leave your wife for her?
    Mr Baden-Clay: Was there a question there?
    Mr Fuller: I said you’d be exposed if those things came out?
    Mr Baden-Clay: If they did. There are lot of ifs, that’s true. It hadn’t been something I’d considered.
    Mr Fuller: You’d be seen to be unfaithful? And in the worse sense in that it had occurred on more than one occasion after you had sought your wife’s forgiveness, made some promises to her and then gone and done it again with the same woman?
    Mr Baden-Clay: Correct.
    Mr Fuller: Your business wasn’t going well?
    Mr Baden-Clay: That’s not correct.
    Mr Fuller: You had to rely on your friends to invest without security? And if your business failed your friends would lose their money?
    Mr Baden-Clay: That is correct.
    Mr Fuller: That was the decision you had to make on the 19th wasn’t it? When all those things were coming together? You killed your wife Mr Baden-Clay?
    Mr Baden-Clay: No, did not.
    Mr Fuller: You killed her either in or at your house at Brookfield that night in the early hours of the morning?
    Mr Baden-Clay: No, did not.
    Mr Fuller: You attacked her and the only way that she could respond was to lash out and claw at your face and leave marks upon it?
    Mr Baden-Clay: That is not true.
    Mr Fuller: Probably as you smothered here and took her life from her?
    Mr Baden-Clay: That is not true.
    Mr Fuller: Perhaps she grabbed at your clothing – is that why you had that injury under your right shoulder?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I don’t know.
    Mr Fuller: You overpowered her pretty quickly didn’t you?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I never overpowered her at all.
    Mr Fuller: Perhaps her jumper came up as she tried to fight you off, up over her hands and up around her neck? Or did that happen later as you moved her body or dumped her in the creek?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I never did anything to physically harm my wife in any way, ever. So your supposition to then take it further and suggest I did other things as well is absurd and I object to it so I can’t answer your question.
    Mr Fuller: Her head came into the contact with the fallen leaves at the back of your house or the side of your house didn’t they?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I don’t know.
    Mr Fuller: You put her in the Captiva?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I did not.
    Mr Fuller: She sustained perhaps a minor injury to some part of body that caused her to bleed?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I did not have anything to do with anything that you are suggesting.
    Mr Fuller: That’s why the blood is on the right-hand-side over the back wheel where the seats are folded down.
    Mr Baden-Clay: I had nothing to do with anything you are asking me.
    Mr Fuller: It wasn’t enough to noticed but enough to be found? You transported her to Kholo Creek and then dumped her underneath the bridge unceremoniously?
    Mr Baden-Clay: No did not.
    Mr Fuller: Anxious to get back to your children?
    Mr Baden-Clay: The suggestion that I would leave my children for any time in the middle of the night is absurd, let alone to do the dastardly things you are suggesting.
    Mr Fuller: That was all done by 1.48am perhaps which is when you put your phone back on its charger?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I did not.
    Mr Fuller: You started covering your tracks then I suggest to you Mr Baden-Clay? The toys in the back of the car. Shaving. Cutting yourself just at the bottom edges to help disguise and give some legitimacy to your claim they were in fact shaving cuts?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I didn’t.
    Mr Fuller: Then you told everybody they were shaving cuts, anybody who asked? And you were happy for police to search your house?
    Mr Baden-Clay: Yes. I had nothing to hide.
    Mr Fuller: Because you knew there was nothing to be found?
    Mr Baden-Clay: No because I knew I had nothing to hide and I wanted my wife found.
    Mr Fuller: You kept up the facade of the concerned husband?
    Mr Baden-Clay: I was a concerned husband and I’m a very concerned father. I remain so. It’s not a façade.
    Defence barrister Michael Byrne: Were you at any time violent to your wife Allison on April 19, 2012?
    Mr Baden-Clay: No I was not. Never on that night or at any time.
    Mr Byrne: Throughout your life, have you ever exhibited violence?
    Police photographs of marks on Gerard Baden-Clay’s skin used as evidence in court.The Brisbane Times
    Mr Baden-Clay: I have been involved in two altercations in my life. The first when I was 10 years old at the second school I attended when we first came to Australia. I went to defend a new found friend of mine who was being bullied and the bully swung around and punched me in the eye. I walked into home later that day backwards and my mother said you have a black eye. To this day I still don’t know how she knew. The second occasion was similar when I was at school in Toowoomba, primary school, I was probably 12 years old. Again somebody was bullying a friend of mine at cricket nets. We got into a scuffle, wrestling more than anything. I’ve never thrown a punch in my life in anger.
    Mr Byrne: Your relationship with Allison over the years that you were married – were there arguments?
    Mr Baden-Clay: On occasion we certainly did have arguments. I think every married couple probably does.
    Mr Byrne: What sort of arguments?
    Mr Baden-Clay: There were a variety of things but we never raised our voices to one other. We were always very civil and respectful towards one another. Certainly when we had our children it was our ardent desire that they should never see us in a disagreement with each other.

    Baden-Clay not concerned about mistress phoning wife

    GERARD Baden-Clay has told the court he was not concerned about his lover Toni McHugh phoning his wife Allison about the real estate conference they would attend together
    Under cross-examination from Crown prosecutor Todd Fuller, Mr Baden-Clay said he had not contemplated that the two women might have spoken, nor that such a conversation could be responsible for his wife’s disappearance.

    “That wasn’t in my mind,” he told Brisbane Supreme Court.

    Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay had testified that Allison had his phone every evening so she could check his emails, phone call log and texts – one of the conditions following his affair.

    “Toni McHugh could have contacted Allison?” he suggested.

    She had been upset and knew where you lived, Mr Fuller suggested.

    “She’d only been in her job for a week so really wasn’t an option for her not to go?” he said.

    Mr Baden-Clay agreed.

    Mr Fuller suggested Ms McHugh could have called later that night when Mr Baden-Clay was in bed.

    He suggested Allison could have “reacted to that and had gone off?”.

    Mr Baden-Clay agreed it was a possibility but unlikely because Ms McHugh normally would not contact him outside hours discussed.

    “You didn’t contemplate any risk of Toni contacting your wife?” Mr Fuller said.

    “No,” Mr Baden-Clay said.

    He told the court he did not tell police about that option because it had not entered his mind.

    “I was concerned about where Allison was,” he said.

    “I thought she’d gone for a walk.”

    Mr Baden-Clay has pleaded not guilty to murdering his wife Allison at their Brookfield home on April 19, 2012, and then dumping her body near the Kholo Creek bridge.

    He said the whole police process had been overwhelming because he was not even thinking about anything beyond his wife not returning from her walk.

    Mr Baden-Clay said he did not understand what CIB – Criminal Investigation Branch – stood for or what a crime scene was.

    “I anticipated she was coming home any minute,” he said.

    Mr Baden-Clay could not explain why he called his friends and family before phoning Allison’s friends and family the morning he realised she was missing on April 20, 2012.

    He said he was thinking about how the day would pan out and trying to think ahead.

    “If Allison was found in hospital with an injury then obviously that would throw all the plans for the evening into disarray,” he said.

    Mr Baden-Clay said he did not feel police were keeping him informed enough about the investigation into Allison’s disappearance.

    Mr Fuller suggested police contacted him every day of the 11 day before Allison’s body was found at Kholo Creek.

    Mr Baden-Clay said that might be the case but text messages were not enough for him.

    “I was very concerned about whereabouts of my wife,” he said.

    “I desperately wanted to know what was going on.”

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    • Thank-you SFA for delivering this post in this format.
      It makes it easier to “listen” just how the whole court session went.
      I can almost “hear” him stumbling, and trying hard to revert back to script.
      Plus his keenness not to say anything incriminating. I can’t comment etc. Try and sound indignant. Remember above all else “Do not admit anything.”
      Your post is much appreciated. I will be thinking of you Monday. I wonder if his voice gets that squeaky whine of his first interview. Also, does his voice get tight when the pressure is upped?

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      • Ah yes QCL, I’d have given much to hear Todd Fuller in action and GBC’s tone of voice and reactions! But when it comes to lying, it’s GBC’s second nature isn’t it? Don’t they say that a lie detector won’t pick up the lies of the narcissist – because they believe the lies they are telling!! He could lie under oath for ever and a day… Not that I think for a minute that the defense team wanted him to take the stand, but hey, it’s his show and he’s calling the shots. He’d put anyone under a bus to get off the charges he’s facing, I wondered at times if he even realised why he was standing on the dock when he gave his lengthy testimony about his detailed trip through Europe 15 years ago. A true narcissist in action, it’s all about me!

        In the room I’ll no doubt be in on Monday, I don’t think the screens will pick up the nuances of GBC’s body language. I spent one day in court near the beginning of the trial on the day where NBC, OBW and Allison’s parents were on the stand and saw it in the ‘overflow’ courtroom. You could see and hear them clearly, but my daughter and I had a great deal of trouble identifying GBC on the screen, let alone seeing his reactions.

        I think Justice Byrne’s comments to the jury will determine the way the verdict goes. God knows, for jurors there is a lot to digest if they haven’t followed the case for 2 years as many of us have. I hope common sense and justice prevails, but if it doesn’t it will be because the prosecution didn’t present enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that GBC killed his beautiful wife Allison. After all, we live in a ‘civilized’ society where we’re assumed innocent unless proven guilty, let’s not forget that.

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  28. To me, the biggest lie of all (apart from so many others which GBC seems to think the Judge, jury and public in general should simply just accept) is that he wasn’t concerned about Allison and Toni McHugh being at the same conference together on 20th April. It “never entered his mind”. Really? If Allison had found out that he was still having a relationship with Toni after all his infidelities in the past, she had forgiven him once and would probably not do so again. That meant his fake and duplicitous life would be exposed to the world, he would possibly no longer be living with his children if Allison decided to divorce him, and the enormous financial implications associated with this for his (failing) business.

    I think this would be very hard for the jurors to swallow when they weigh everything up. GBC had everything to lose by the two women in his life being at the same conference that day. Allison was becoming more confident and assertive given the recent counselling days before her death. By all accounts (including Jocelyn Frost’s testimony), Toni also had a temper and was becoming more demanding that GBC DO something for once. Two worlds colliding in front of his eyes, plain to see and yet he wasn’t concerned about this?

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  29. There’s another big something that stands out like a sore thumb ….
    He has never ever shown any concern for Allison’s “real” killer.
    Not upset, not wanting vengeance, not suggesting an alternative killer.
    Nothing at all. Zip, zero, zilch nada. Just business as usual. (Including with cuff links)

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    • I agree QCL, if you were innocent you’d hardly try to prove that your wife committed suicide would you? You’d be shouting to the world that you were innocent and to find the real killer. But there are too many obstacles in the road – your wife’s phone is missing, her blood is in the back of the Captiva (with a hair in it for good measure), there are leaves in her hair from the home – oh and then there’s that small matter of huge gouges in your cheek. What’s a bloke to do, but get his family in the dock to perjure themselves what a basket-case Allison was, depressed and lying on a couch doing nothing. It literally makes my blood boil – she was his narcissistic supply who made him look good! Without her he was zip, zero, zilch, nada…

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    • Perhaps his conscience (if he has any) gets past the problem by considering that not GBC, but alter ego Bruce Overland did it….so he can claim GBC’s not guilty.

      I wonder if that’s not what sis Olivia alluded to long ago…said that we’ll see he’s not guilty…wish I knew what she meant. I saw noting but GUILTY…GUILTY….GUILTY!

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    • Yes I would think so brissy. It will be interesting to hear what comes out afterwards, a bit like in Brett Peter Cowan’s trial where we discovered he had raped young boys prior to Daniel Morcombe’s death. Very shocking, and to think that Daniel’s parents knew this all along during the trial and prior, and the jury did not…

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      • Posting for gerbilhuntingseason:

        Dear SFA

        The difference here is that upon acquittal, there is “nothing to see here, folks”

        Prior convictions are only raised to help the Judge in determining an appropriate sentence.

        If Gerbil walks (slithers) out of this, it’s game over.

        Happy to be corrected (well, ecstatic would be a better word)

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        • I agree GHS, and in GBC’s case there are most likely no prior convictions. I was just stating that facts that can come out after a trial can be jaw-dropping in some cases. If GBC walks as you say, it’s all over. Personally, while I believe all arrows point to him, at the end of the day we’re bound by Queensland’s judicial system with evidence presented, summaries made by the defense, prosecution and Judge, and then the jury is left to decide their verdict.

          If GBC walks and he is in fact guilty, it will be because the prosecution hasn’t produced sufficient evidence to present a case beyond reasonable doubt to the jury on this particular case. Nothing more and nothing less. While I care very deeply, I remain philosophical about the outcome – why? Because I can’t change it.

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  30. I do not know Brissy72 but I do hope so!

    I do think a few issues we have noticed over time have not been clarified in court, eg:
    • Portraits taken of the two lovers – purpose? Final nail into Allison’s heart?
    • Whatever was seen at the Kenmore roundabout & much investigated?
    • Rumour of NBC seen at Kenmore roundabout in the night?
    • Sighting of cars at the Kholo bridge early morning hours, not mentioned?
    • Where was Allison’s pyjamas? GBC’s clothes his daughter saw him in late night?
    • Face time call between Bwana & GBC just after midnight, real or fabricated? (Not possible for such very specific info to be random electronic error)
    • Googling of ‘pleading the fifth’ on morning of 20/4 before phoning QPS not mentioned
    • What other related topics had been googled by GBC over previous weeks?
    • What was found in/on the vacuum cleaner & hose NBC wanted to remove the next morning?
    • GBC originally telling a friend of Allison that she went for a 10pm walk (not morning walk)
    • Enquiries made about Allison’s insurance in weeks before her death
    • Why Allison’s insurance was paid while GBC claims he could not afford razor blades?
    • Why was only an out of date 15 year old will presented for Allison?
    • OW’s testimony that the girls were told Allison fell in a hole and is not coming back – why was she not questioned about this?
    • Why did BC clan look so jubilant towards the end of the trial?

    ….there are likely a good few more which could be added…..

    Some may have been dead ends, just rumour, or had logical explanations. But others like the 180 degree turn-around on the face time call are a little more suspicious…..It does make one wonder about the possible meddling behind the scenes to omit incriminating evidence. I hope not, but it is not what was presented but what was OMITTED that worries me a little….

    Anyway, time rolls on, so this coming week we will KNOW whether sufficient evidence was presented for justice to prevail for Allison. I sincerely hope so!

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    • Posting for gerbilhuntingseason:

      Dear RIP

      Such a studied collection of unanswered questions.

      Many of these (and more) have been swirling around our troubled minds as the trial comes to an end.

      As a group that came together with only one objective – that being justice for Allison – we have jointly found many holes in the pasteurised version of events trotted out by the evil Clays.

      That many of them have not been incorporated into evidence is frustrating to say the least, but I guess (through gritted teeth and tense jaw) we must accept there is a good enough reason for the Crown to have stood back from tabling such matters.

      I wish I knew more about the law. If GBC is acquitted, can the prosecution turn its attention to other potential perpetrators (or accomplices)?

      My heart is in my mouth in advance of tomorrow.

      But the one fact I cling to is that the Baden-Clay name is forever sullied, no matter the outcome.

      Aussies don’t like big-noters, unauthentic people, bullies, de-briefers, bare-faced liars, familial perjury, people who con their friends, screw the staff, belittle their partners, beat their children, placate their mistresses, cynically attend counselling, maintain alias names and several phone accounts, doctor shop, deliberately crash cars, cry crocodile tears when deemed appropriate, google legal terminology, hire lawyers, don’t search for missing loved ones, carry on business as usual, enquire about life insurance policies, trash the reputation and mental health of their wife after her death, and so on.

      Oh, I nearly forgot the matter of murder and interference with a corpse., .

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  31. I agree with you RIP and GHS, and it’s the reason why I can’t stay away from the summing up tomorrow to hear it first hand for myself. There are so many, many unanswered questions and so much evidence not presented in the trial. I too am not versed in the law, but stand for justice when the victim can no longer speak for herself and for all the women and men out there like Allison. If GBC walks away free, I don’t think he’ll ever be ‘free’ again in the true sense of the word, certainly not in Brisbane. The Baden-Clay name has doubtless been sullied forever. Whether he decides to immigrate to Canada (if they’ll have him) or start a used-car dealership in Logan, who knows? After waiting so many years and following every nuance of this case, we’ll all know the outcome this coming week.

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